<p>Which one is better?</p>
<p>Berkeley -
In-state tuition
2nd best undergrad engineering program</p>
<p>Cornell-
9th best undergrad engineering program
Ivy League status</p>
<p>berkeley (no bias)</p>
<p>who gives a **** about ivy league status</p>
<p>^
Azn Parents Do.</p>
<p>It depends what you want. What field of engineering are you looking into? Bioengineering? Also, you should compare their locations. If I were you, I would chose Cornell, but it all depends on your opinion.</p>
<p>^
Azn parents also love Berkeley!! In fact, asians love Berkeley!!</p>
<p>Not all asians love Berkeley. I read a newspaper articles saying that most applicants would choose Cornell instead of Berkeley. Just remember to choose the college for you, not your parents, because you'll be studying at the college for 4 years (unless your transfer).</p>
<p>I did not apply to Cornell, but I am certain I'd have chosen Berkeley over it personally, because the schools are pretty similar in terms of being competitive, fairly large ones with good engineering programs, but several other good programs....but Berkeley seems to be more lax about many things. I heard from a friend at Cornell that they basically can't transfer close to as many AP credits, and so end up having to make up for it with actual classes. If you're studying engineering, the more time you have to spend on your core classes, the better you will do...and these are both hard schools for engineering.</p>
<p>I feel like I've said this before, but being an Ivy League school really does not mean much. It simply means that the school plays football with Harvard, Yale, Brown, etc. It's a very old sports league very much similar to the Pac-10. I remember being mildly enthralled by this "Ivy League" thing when I was trying to pick colleges, but when I talked to my friends who were attending those schools, I realized that it wasn't necessarily what I wanted for my undergrad experience. Go talk to people you know who went there about their experiences. Everyone loves their university (typically though I'm sure there are exceptions) so they'll tell you all its wonderful qualities but listen carefully for the details and make your own judgements about the school's fit for you.</p>
<p>Both are excellent. Would depend on which engineering and your heart. Cornell is a must visit campus with its unique beauty. Lastly, a non-trivial item: economics.</p>
<p>It's a hard choice imo. (Any other elite college that is not so isolated like Cornell I would immediately pick over Berk) That's pretty much it. Academics, I'd say the similar enough. Money-wise, go with Berk unless Cornell offers some nice aids.
Lastly though, if you go to Cornell, you can say you went to the same college as Andy Bernard. HAH</p>
<p>How much more will Cornell cost? Don't forget to include estimated travel expenses.</p>
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Of course you would. You didn't like Berkeley from the start.</p>
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I read a newspaper articles saying that most applicants would choose Cornell instead of Berkeley.
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They write newspaper articles on this subject?</p>
<p>As a Berkeley student I have my bias, but I would pick Berkeley. It'll be cheaper and have a better program. Plus, I think the San Francisco Bay Area is a better place to be for engineers due to Silicon Valley and the companies lurking around here (Google anyone?). Just make sure you'd be happy at Berkeley. If you have any engineering friends here, see if you can stay a day or more with them. If not, I'm sure we could give you some advice on where to go and what to check out.</p>
<p>I'd also say Berkeley, due to (as previous poster said) proximity to Silicon Valley. Job connections to excellent companies are critical in this economy (who knows how long it'll be like this...), and Berkeley is in a much better position for you to be sure that your future is secure. Plus, we have better weather xP (unless cold is your thing)</p>
<p>I was choosing between Berkeley and Cornell two years ago and I never regret that I came to Cal. I actually, I am VERY glad that I didn't choose Cornell. I just think Berkeley has so much more to offer than Cornell, especially when you are doing engineering.</p>
<p>I applied to both schools a decade ago and I got into both but didn't choose either. I decided I would be better off heading to Cambridge, UK and I have no regrets that i did. But if I hadn't chosen Cambridge, I would definite have chosen Berkeley over Cornell in a heartbeat. Berkeley is very well regarded in all countries that I have been to and I've been to several countries in 6 continents around the world. </p>
<p>I would choose Berkeley comsci/engg over any school in the US except HPSM. I would choose Berkeley engg/comsci over Yale, Caltech and probably Princeton.</p>
<p>In all honesty, I think part of the reason I would give the edge to Berkeley in this one case (as much as I hate ever giving the edge to a given school explicitly) is that its engineering faculty is probably some order of magnitude more up there, and while many undergraduates wouldn't care about this, given the chance to have it there for you, it's not a bad idea to take it. And, as I said, Berkeley is probably easier on letting you transfer credits, etc. These
actually are hugely important things -- when you actually get to college and sign up for classes, you will like to have freedom to take whatever you want, as much as possible, and it seems more possible in public schools. I basically have been doing whatever I want, and curiously, have never even come close to worrying about classes filling up. I am an atypical undergrad, but still, this gives an idea of how lax I think they really are. It just seems that Cornell people end up having to take more "credits" as they refer to units. </p>
<p>I can't comment on the environments, but my friend in Cornell has made it clear that it's not the most interesting one out there to explore (as in, location of the school).</p>
<p>OK this is coming off more than negative. I do believe they're both good schools, but these are reasons I myself lean one way.</p>
<p>Probably one of the worst things about Berkeley is if you DO experience what I have never experienced -- the feeling that no matter how hard you try, the classes you want to take are going to fill up.</p>
<p>ok, picture yourself from November-->March.</p>
<p>Academics aside, would you rather:</p>
<p>-Walk through rain while going to class?</p>
<p>-Walk through 3 feet of snow to get to class?</p>
<p>You may say it doesn't matter, but really. This isn't a few days here, it's about 4.5 months.</p>
<p>That being said, I'd say Cal's engineering faculty is amongst the most renowned in the world. And I attend neither school :P</p>
<p>If this is about engineering, Berkeley is the better choice. So many opportunities are available in the yay.</p>
<p>A number of students here have chosen Berkeley over Cornell. That has to stand for something. Ivy League status? What's that again?</p>
<p>I really want to go to Berkeley, but a number of you have mentioned that the Ivy League status is not worth being considered in this decision, but the reason I put it as a positive for Cornell, though many of you will disagree, is because (1) better networking at ivys, (2) better connections/ chances to get into ivy graduates, and (3) different (often times better) teaching styles.</p>
<p>Again, I realize a great number of you will disagree, especially since this is in a Berkeley thread.</p>