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if you had some semblance of a life you wouldnt continue to post on these forums (3,000+ posts!?)
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<p>Really?</p>
<p>Well..
you actually have a greater post per day rate than I do:
Tallkell: 8.18
nspeds: 6.30</p>
<p>Run along now, little one:)</p>
<p>Oh so much hate over trivial topics</p>
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they cant get any jobs with just that degree...but dont worry about me,
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<p>OH really?!</p>
<p>When you step foot on Cal, visit Professor John Searle and ask him how he puts a roof on his head.</p>
<p>Solely through philosophy, that is how.</p>
<p>(And logically, since Professor Searle has a job as a philosopher, I have refuted your statement.)</p>
<p>"And P.S. of course philosophy majors are the ones that take LSATs because they cant get any jobs with just that degree"</p>
<p>It isn't quantity, it's quality. Philosophy majors SCORE BETTER. And a philosophy degree is just as useful as any other liberal arts degree.</p>
<p>This forum reminds me of that movie Heat where De Niro and Pacino are having a conversation in the coffee shop-- mutual enemies who realize that they need each other to survive. Were it not for these entertaining threads, this forum would be comatose this time of year.</p>
<p>Don't knock someone for their chosen major. College is probably the only opportunity most people will have to learn about something that truly interests them. Do the various majors really hold varying degrees of intrinsic value?</p>
<p>As for economic value, everyone with a liberal arts degree will enter the workforce with with roughly equivalent earning power, save for economics majors perhaps. Engineering and hard sciences majors are the only ones that have significantly higher earning power. But they're at somewhat of a disadvantage (depending on your point of view) because their unit requirements are so high, they aren't usually able to take classes from a wide swath of disclplines--if they want to graduate in a reasonable time frame. Fortunately, English, Mass Comm and Philosophy allow you to learn about lots of different stuff.</p>
<p>Talkell clearly loses this argument.</p>
<p>Quite the amount of straw man and ad hominem spewed from the mouth of a future lawyer!</p>
<p>I can imagine it now...</p>
<p>"Harry Widmore did not shoot LaQuisha Jones. He has a Degree in Communications!"</p>
<p>Learn how to argue... take a logic class.</p>
<p>EDIT: For grammar. Cause if its wrong, you know my argument must be worthless.</p>
<p>"Quite the amount of straw man and ad hominem spewed from the mouth of a future lawyer!</p>
<p>I can imagine it now...</p>
<p>"Harry Widmore did not shoot LaQuisha Jones. He has a Degree in Communications!"</p>
<p>Learn how to argue... take a logic class.</p>
<p>EDIT: For grammar. Cause if its wrong, you know my argument must be worthless."</p>
<p>HAHAHA, you criticize Talkell for ad hominem but then you proceed to mock her. Oh and in your example, I love how you use a stereotypical African American name in 'LaQuisha Jones'. By implicating that it was a black person who was 'shot', I think you are advocating widescale violence against all demographic minorities in this country. Quite the ardent racist you are. You need to take a class....IN MORALITY.</p>
<p>Oh and Talkell, you're a disgrace to not just Berkeley but to all the great universities in this country.</p>
<p>Not to choose sides here but Mass Communications at Berkeley is unique compared to Communications at Cal States, or even at other UCs. Cal States focus on very basic, practical concepts such as interpersonal communication, workplace communication, speech, etc. Some UCs only take a statistical or research approach to comm, such as the statistical occurrence of violence in the tv, movies, etc and its effects. These approaches to comm, I think, are what give the discipline the reputation of being "easy."
Berkeley's Mass Comm is different because it is an interdisciplinary major, which gives it both a theoretical component (as one would take classes amongst other supposed "superior majors"), and educational breadth, both things that Harvard is looking for. Its focus is more along the lines of how the media has been shaped historically, its role in politics, shaping perception...basically its ability to control and manipulate the mindset of the masses. As we all know, the media has a huge effect on our lives, as we are bombarded with its messages daily. So basically, the mass comm major helps look at the media in a critical way so as to not be one of those controlled minds.
Having said that, I agree with yeahbi*ches in that we should respect and not make baseless assumptions about a person's chosen major. Sure, there are probably people at Berkeley who choose the mass comm because it's not rocket science, but I'm sure that can be said about a lot of students majoring in the liberal arts. I'm also willing to bet those who are actually interested in it outnumber those who are not.</p>
<p>I think rhetoric is a better major for law school prep...</p>
<p>Aznnerd, you're wrong. This was Yogurtcups' argument:</p>
<p>1) Tallkell used fallacious reasoning.
2) Those who use fallacious reasoning are not skilled in argument.
2) Tallkell wants to be a lawyer.
3) To be a lawyer, one should be skilled in argument.
4) Logic classes improve one's argument skills.
Conclusion: Tallkell should take logic classes.</p>
<p>Tallkell was the subject of the argument; that wasn't ad hominem.</p>
<p>By arguing Talkell disgraces only the universities in this country, you imply that intellectualism is valued here over other areas in the world. You my friend, are the racist. </p>
<p>I had a Flipino ex-girlfriend named LaQuisha. Stereotyping. What a closed mind.</p>
<p>I can't believe I'm gonna go to school with tallkell.</p>
<p>mrmuirc, hah. Berkeley has around 23,000 undergrads; I'm sure there will be a variety, one of the good traits of the school.</p>
<p>"This was Yogurtcups argument:</p>
<p>1) Tallkell used fallacious reasoning
2) Tallkell wants to be a lawyer
3) To be a lawyer, one should not reason fallaciously.
4) Logic classes reduce one's liability to reason fallaciously."</p>
<p>What about fellatio? Do logic classes reduce one's chances to perform fellatio fallaciously?</p>
<p>lol...is that a rhetorical question? I suggest you go do an experiment, nicopico.</p>
<p>"By arguing Talkell disgraces only the universities in this country, you imply that intellectualism is valued here over other areas in the world. You my friend, are the racist. </p>
<p>I had a Flipino ex-girlfriend named LaQuisha. Stereotyping. What a closed mind."</p>
<p>YogurtCup, I live in one of the most diverse areas in the greater Los Angeles area. Translation = I've had experiences with many cultures and have grown tolerant of all of them. On top of that, I drive a Subaru Impreza so my appreciation of other cultures is more than just that of a superficial level--I'm actually supportive of them. I bet you can't say so much of yourself, considering you utilize 'stereotypical names' in bashing other CC posters. Its just another way of slipping in your irellevant agenda into a CC thread. Perhaps, your major is "Propaganda and Subliminal Messages" Yes, Joseph Goebbels smiles down upon you...</p>
<p>Oh and Gabe, YougurtCup is commiting ad hominem because even in speaking of her as the 'topic'. He is clearly mocking her. If you can't see that, then you are one blind CCer not worth the bandwith your posts consume.</p>
<p>"4) Logic classes reduce one's liability to reason fallaciously"</p>
<p>This is a great observation. The further you progress in education, the more you see the esoteric, nonsensical, pretentious fodder that's portrayed as good writing. And no one is held accountable.</p>
<p>(ok so I viewed the word "liability" in a different context)</p>
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On top of that, I drive a Subaru Impreza so my appreciation of other cultures is more than just that of a superficial level--I'm actually supportive of them
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<p>Wow, an Asian guy who drives a Japanese car...so supportive of culture. Why not an European car for a change?</p>
<p>^he wanted to, but his parents weren't approved for the lease.</p>