<p>drj, do you have a similar faculty list for SLO</p>
<p>sis,
again, not an exhaustive list but should be close:</p>
<ol>
<li> UC Berkeley easily the most</li>
<li> UC Davis</li>
<li> UCSD</li>
<li> Oregon State</li>
<li> Stanford and Texas A&M</li>
</ol>
<p>much more of a western flavor but still an elite group. guess here is that the pomona campus has more from east because of location outside los angeles.</p>
<p>kluge and all,
here's another factoid that helps to explain why certain CSUs are far superior to others:</p>
<p>each campus has a designated "service area" within which that university must admit students with records that would allow lower rated app packages. therefore, if your campus is in an elite area such as marin county you stand a better chance to have fewer such applicants.</p>
<p>on the other hand, if you are near an inner city neighborhood, such as the locales of the dominguez hills, east bay, los angeles, and pomona campuses you are forced to take this local student who meets minimal CSU requirements. for example, the high schools around the three aforementioned los angeles area universities have ratings of 1 and 2 on a statewide scale where 10 is best. this is a huge handicap that only the pomona campus has managed to overcome.</p>
<p>drj, how close to the school do you need to be to be in the service area?
For example, would West Los Angeles be in CSULB's service area, or is it limited to the geographically closest campus (Northridge or Dominguez Hills)?
And thank you for enlightening all of us about the CSU's.</p>
<p>it's a cluster of about 20-30 high schools around the urban campuses.
for example, cal state los angeles gets all of the bad high schools on the east side of town which far outnumber the better ones around pasadena. beach gets all the city schools there but then places like lakewood and los alamitos. pomona gets all the junk in that city plus montclair and ontario but is saved by claremont, upland, san dimas and laverne. each high school can only be in one CSU service area. guess that means humboldt and chico get about one third of the state's geography.</p>
<p>drj, I'm not sure I can answer your question about which CSU would rank lowest using my formula because not all report their common data set numbers, and the ones which do report don't always use the same data (average SAT vs. 25th - 75 percentile, for example.) But there seems to be quite a few that would be around a 100 - 102 or so on the index - LA, Fresno, Bakersfield, Sacramento, San Jose for example. You may be right about geography, though - Sonoma and Humboldt both post almost 106 based on the freshman stats they report.</p>
<p>drj, what? you are skeptical about my posts?(lol)
Actually I tried to shed some light, I'm known for being brutally honest. If my school is terrible, I would say so, because the school is not a reflection of me. I can still go to a terrible school and not being terrible student, is that terribly clear?(lol)
I can't complain about Cal Poly Pomona but I paid $69/quarter, work the hardest because I did not want to fail, I was running out of money(Cal Grant) if I did not graduate in 2.5 years. Because Cal Poly Pomona was on a quarter system, so I had to take a lot of courses, the breadth of engineering courses is very large. I had to learn material science, thermo-dynamic, fluid-mechanic, power, microwave, etc.. you name it, I learned it. These subjects were fun to learn, but I never did use them. In fact, when I started working in computer engineering field, I actually only used a few courses. But did I have a great education in Engineering? yes, absolutely.
Same with accounting from CSUF, I took accounting 25+ years and have never worked in an accounting field, but still remember accounting concepts for the day to day work and in my personal life. So if that is not a great education, what is?</p>
<p>i stand in awe, susie, the credentials of the engineering faculty at cal poly pomona are simply incredible and on par with some ivy league schools. you are really blessed, and the education you get there is an incredible bargain as is also true at SLO. no wonder so many students want to get into the polytechnics within the system. and a guess is that you are totally surrounded by guys in your classes! hope there are some hot ones in with the geeks.</p>
<p>thanks to you, too, kluge, for your analyses. your offspring also is at a great school at san diego state.
drj</p>
<p>CPSPO, and I'd say SDSU after that.</p>
<p>Extracurriculars play very little role in getting into a CSU, if any. I don't think I even put anything down for mine.</p>
<p>CSUMB (Cal State University Monterey Bay) must be up on that list. It is a new school (10 years) but it is a great school with private school qualities and public school cost.</p>
<p>it takes a generation or more to build distinguished programs, not a decade. even john d. rockefeller needed that long to establish the university of chicago at the end of the 19th century. what distinguished programs has MB established in a mere decade? what did it do to race by san jose state for example which dates back to the 1800s? most informed observers place it in the middle tier of the system for now, not the top with the two cal polys and san diego state.</p>
<p>Hi drj - i always enjoy your input on the CSU's. I noted on this board that when a poster with modest stats asks for his chances at the UC's and Cal Poly SLO, a great many of responders indicate that Cal Poly SLO is a "safety". I did not get that feel at all for my son who applied from out of state with a 3.79 GPA (CSU weighted 4.0) and a 1480 SAT. I considered this a "match" school for him. With these stats he did NOT get into the Honors program at SLO but he did so at nearly every other state U (east coast), which further enforces my view that SLO is not a "safety" (He applied as a computer engineering major).</p>
<p>sis,
cal poly is a safety only for top tier UC students. it is more selective than at least half of the UC system but because it rests within the CSU applicants don't accord it the respect it deserves. at san luis opisbo, there are many programs that are impacted which means of course that it is even more difficult to be admitted. while pomona has fewer impacted programs as a bigger CSU campus it still remains a relatively challenging admit.</p>
<p>drj - do you have the actual #'s for those who applied/were accepted into Computer Engineering at SLO? At the accepted students day they announced that for every 1 accepted, they turned away 8 or 9. Just wondering where those numbers came from. If I look at the student profile is shows that 5413 applied for Engineering (not broken down by department) and 2793 selected (about 50%).</p>
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<p>i stand in awe, susie, the credentials of the engineering faculty at cal poly pomona are simply incredible and on par with some ivy league schools. </p>
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<p>The same is true of the architecture faculty, which is top-notch. In both of these fields, both Cal Poly campuses offer an incredible bargain.</p>
<p>BEST California State Universities </p>
<ol>
<li>Cal Poly San Luis Obispo</li>
<li>CSU Long Beach, SDSU</li>
<li>Cal Poly Pomona, CSU Monterey Bay</li>
<li>San Jose State</li>
<li>SFSU</li>
<li>CSU Fullerton</li>
</ol>
<p>I've seen students with great stats- 4.0+ .. Not all of them were that bright though. Taking into consideration that it's a student's choice on what classes they want to take, one can just take less rigourous classes like T.A. or all regular classes. Even if SDSU has better stats, it doesn't mean they have better students... it also depends on the school. Schools like Monroe High School have students who have 3.8s.. and they're as dumb as a door knob. - for the csu system because they don't judge on anything else besides numbers--- Not saying all people with high gpas are stupid but you shouldn't state absolutes by calling CPP's students lackluster or what not or any cs for that matter... THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS!</p>
<p>Looking at the stats of cal ply san luis obispo alone tells you its a very selective school. It has to be definitely the harderst csu to get into. I bet that and SDSU are the most difficult SDSU for its are mostly. I personally want to go to cal poly pomona because of its reputation for computer engineering major.</p>
<p>SLO stands alone in the system for selectivity. san diego has the most applicants for a number of factors, such as locale in the second largest city in the state, size of the student body and facilities to support it, and perhaps just as importantly, the reputation of being the best party school in the system. but its academics, while strong, are far behind those at SLO and perhaps on par with long beach, pomona, and chico. give monterey bay another decade and it too may be in this league. ditto for san marcos and channel islands, which also are moving upward.</p>
<p>No one can question Cal Poly SLO as the number 1, but after that it really becomes preference. I think San Francisco State should follow CPSLO. Good school, awesome campus, great music dept. (for people like me!), and it's in one of the greatest cities in the world! SFSU; go Gators!</p>