<p>University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill</p>
<p>William and MARY</p>
<p>US News is a joke. The Service Academies aren't even figured into most of their rankings because they say most of the information on them is "unknown".</p>
<p>University of Florida is ranked in the top 50, mixed in with the private schools</p>
<p>This is going to sound bizarre, but...</p>
<p>Cornell</p>
<p>It's part-state, part-private. From the point of view of the students in the "contract" (state-supported) colleges (Agriculture and Life Sciences, Industrial and Labor Relations, and Human Ecology), it could be considered a state school. </p>
<p>And it outranks Berkeley in every ranking list that I've ever seen.</p>
<p>No it's not a state school. That has been discussed over and over, and people have been shot for posting that in the Cornell forums. It's considered to be a private school.</p>
<p>The Public Ivies were conceived in 1985 by Richard Moll. They included, in order:
--William & Mary
--Miami (Ohio)
--University of California (system as a whole)
--Michigan
--North Carolina (Chapel Hill)
--Texas
--Vermont
--Virginia</p>
<p>Greene's Guides expanded the list in 2001 to include:</p>
<p>--Binghamton
--Indiana
--Michigan State
--Ohio State
--Penn State
--Rutgers
--Arizona
--Colorado
--Connecticut
--Florida
--Georgia
--Delaware
--Illinois (Urbana/Champaign)
--Iowa
--Maryland (College Park)
--Minnesota
--Washington
--Wisconsin</p>
<p>uhh..texas and vermont above virginia? right...</p>
<p>Miami shouldn't be there either.</p>
<p>The added list is in alphabetical order, except for Delaware. The original ones are taken from the book, thought there was no indication that the order was significant.</p>
<p>then why is William and Mary first?</p>
<p>and you also said "they included, in order" which does make it seem like the order is significant</p>
<p>Sorry for the confusion. The last part of the added list is in alphabetical order. Nothing implied by the order otherwise.</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
<p>"uhh..texas and vermont above virginia? right...</p>
<p>Miami shouldn't be there either.'</p>
<p>Yeah, I guess Texas having the most CEO alumni than any other public university is a good indicator. Maybe Vermont you have a point but not Texas.</p>
<p>I'm ridiculously biased...but here it goes.</p>
<p>Out of all of the top publics, William and Mary is definately the best for any liberal arts/social science discipline at the undergrad level. </p>
<p>After all, any of the universities about WM are quite large. There are lots of TAs teaching classes, etc. Only William and Mary can provide the small class sizes, high quality faculty (that actually teach...even intro courses), and individualized attention necessary for what I consider to be a good education in any social science.</p>
<p>Maybe U Mich, UVA, UNC, UCLA, and UCB all have most prestigious names, but for undergrad social sciences at least, William and Mary is the best education of the lot.</p>
<p>william and mary's endowment is pretty bad though and has grade deflation which is not helpful for grad. </p>
<p>I'm not attacking the school I'm just giving my reasons for why I didn't apply there last year (I applied and got into UVA)</p>
<p>The grade deflation is present, but if you acknowlege that you're grades will LOOK worse, you'll be fine. It certainly doesn't seem to affect any sort of grad entrance rates for WM undergraduates. I think their 1st choice med and law acceptance rates are up there with UVA.</p>
<p>Your average person might not know William and Mary's prestige, but upper tier grad school admissions folks do.</p>
<p>The endowment...it could be better...</p>
<h1>1 = Berkeley.</h1>
<p>I would say the UCs (Berkeley, UCLA), Michigan, UVA, UNC, and William + Mary</p>
<h1>1=anything BUT Berkeley or UCLA</h1>
<p>I repeat... William and MARY! underrated by US News.</p>
<p>If anything, most of the best public universities are underrated by US News.</p>