<p>As I wrote in post 473, according to Bowen and Bok,</p>
<p>“The grades earned by black students at the C&B schools often reflect their struggles to succeed academically in highly competitive academic settings. The average cumulative grade point average (GPA) for the black '89 matriculants was 2.61 on a 4.0 scale–a B-minus. The average for their white classmates was 3.15–somewhere between a B and a B-plus. To some, this 0.52-point difference in average GPAs may seem negligible; in fact it is very large when seen in the context of the overall distribution of grades. The average rank of black matriculants was at the 23d percentile of the class, the average Hispanic student ranked in the 36th percentile, and the average white student ranked in the 53d percentile” (p. 72).</p>
<p>I’m not going to continue to feed this thread. I have better things to do with my post-counts than to argue with someone who has no intention of ever changing their mind and is posing as someone with a casual interest and an open-mind on the subject matter.</p>
<p>I’ll check back in a month. For the record fabrizio’s post count as of this moment 3,544. It’ll be interesting to see how far it goes up by then. ;)</p>
<p>@fabrizio
when did that guy ever call you a racist??? Seriously that’s not a light word that should be tossed around and because it is in today’s society that’s why colleges have AA. Think about it. How would it look if one year a place like Harvard accepted NO black students or NO Hispanic students. You could be sure there would be a lot of criticism and accusations of racism coming their way. It’s all politics my friends.</p>
<p>Also in response to an earlier post you made, that’s what I’m explaining is the issue. We can’t get rid of racial AA until people start disregarding race however people won’t stop disregarding race until things like the education and income gap closes significantly. When races truly are equal then the idea of race will cease to exist.</p>
<p>So, I’m just going to throw in a question here…
Would it hurt my chances of being accepted to a school if I decided to circle the ‘Unsure/ does not wish to answer’ option for my ethnicity?
Would they just assume I’m white or asian?</p>
<p>In post 420, he all but called me a “racist”: I must say these two quotes, if not racist, do seem to encapusulate an odd fixation with what black people (whether descendants of slaves or second-generation Nigerians) are achieving. When I retorted that he had no basis for his “if not racist” allegation, he actually tried to post some “evidence” in post 435.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t have a problem if a school didn’t accept any [insert racial classification here] students so long as the school practiced race-blind admissions. Thing is, though, I don’t believe that’d ever happen, and I must ask, do you believe that in the absence of racial preferences, this would happen?</p>
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<p>But how does considering race ever lead us to a world where it is not considered? I think the argument proceeds under the notion that by considering race at first we will eventually reach a state where it doesn’t have to be considered. Quite frankly, I don’t believe this approach will ever yield the desired end result. So long as race is considered, it will never lead to the end of race as an idea.</p>
<p>Haha of course not. That would insinuate that I think minorities would not even get into top colleges without this “hook” (which is sadly a viewpoint held by many people I’ve run into in my life). I pointed out this extreme hypothetical situation to show how due to race being a sensitive issue and so many people in this country not even knowing the meaning of racism, then prestigious colleges may be under pressure to round out their class more despite the fact that maybe not as many minorities apply in the first place so of course they would be underrepresented. It’s one small reason behind AA along with many others.</p>
<p>Just curious but has there ever been a study or something comparing number of minorities who applied to say Harvard to the number admitted? I have doubts because I can only imagine the number of lawsuits that might occur but I was under the impression that not many minorities in comparison to whites and asians apply to the top colleges in the first place so maybe it would look like they were being admitted easier when in fact the group could be more self-selecting and have stronger applications as a whole. Of course I don’t know this for sure but it’s just a thought.</p>
<p>I don’t see how any data outside of the specific GPA & SAT scores of every single applicant can help you.</p>
<p>Averages will not help you at all.</p>
<p>But if you insist, there exist only 3 possible relationships between blacks’ stats and the stats of the average applicant.</p>
<ol>
<li>Blacks’ >Overall</li>
<li>Blacks’ (more or less equals) Overall</li>
<li>Blacks’ < Overall</li>
</ol>
<p>In scenario 1, MIT’s 25th-75th percentile scores are pretty damn good, so I’m going to guess that its average C-M-W is something like 720-780-720.</p>
<p>I seriously doubt that the blacks’ average stats were significantly higher than those simply because they don’t come much better than those (when speaking of collectives).</p>
<p>And I think you know what scenarios 2 and 3 implicate.</p>
<p>At Rice for example, the Acceptance rate for Texas residents is much lower than those OOS. Part of that is attributed to ‘diversity’ and part is due to the fact that everyone, their mom and dog in texas apply, whether qualified or not. Less people OOS shotgun applications like that. </p>
<p>This could be a reason to account for a discrepancy?</p>
<p>Well that would be a similar example, but not a reason.
Rice is a small private college; the only reason why OOS people would hesitate applying is Rice’s relative anonymity. If OOS people apply, it’ll be because they took the effort to track Rice down and are smart enough to apply to it instead of exclusively to HYPSMSGWEYFDS.</p>
<p>MIT is a (inter)nationally renowned institution with high selectivity. Are you really saying that, as a group, blacks will only apply if they stand a good chance (which they apparently do)? Why can’t the same be said of other groups? And then, why is the overall acceptance rate 60% lower than that of blacks?</p>
<p>Although these disuccions are almost always rehashes of the same old stuff, I’d like to take the opportunity to ask better math minds what role a relatively small “n” might play, especially with regard to the “60 percent lower acceptance rate”. I also supect that it is largely the same kids that got into all of the schools on the chart, somewhat accounting for the relatively low yeilds. Predictably low yeilds might encourage higher acceptance rates, no?</p>
<p>You can’t really compare the Holocaust to Slavery. It seems stupid do so. Also remember what country was the cause of the Holocaust. Which country gives it’s greatest support to the country of Israel at the moment. </p>
<p>The Holocaust was horrible, but it didn’t last for centuries. It didn’t alter as many lives as slavery. </p>
<p>I find it funny that the UN and US decided to knock on Palestinian door steps and say " um these guys used to live and crap on this land a millennium ago. They have come back to reclaim there land" , I am not surprised why there is constant tension.</p>
<p>It remind me of how the colonists and conquistadors decided to take the new world
without any considering the indigenous population. </p>