<p>hah,
I can’t imagine johns hopkins being a good fit in the big ten
same goes for duke and UNC.
I still think Mizzou would have been a great addition, better than Nebraska.</p>
<p>“I can’t imagine johns hopkins being a good fit in the big ten
same goes for duke and UNC.”</p>
<p>Why not?</p>
<p>Well, Johns Hopkins doesn’t seem to have a national presence when it comes to athletics.
Sure, it’s a FANTASTIC school academically, but they don’t have national exposure when it comes to athletics.
Duke and UNC are basketball schools with lacking football programs.
I’ve always associated the big ten with midwest schools, I can’t see these schools meshing well for some reason.
I’m not too keen on Maryland and Rutgers joining, although they are better additions than duke, unc, and johns hopkins.
Really wish Notre Dame would have worked out, I think they would have been a great addition.</p>
<p>uofiapplicant, you should consider several factors:</p>
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<li><p>IU, Michigan, Northwestern, Penn State, Purdue and Wisconsin are not typically “Midwestern”. They have huge non-midwestern and international student populations. That’s half the Big 10 schools.</p></li>
<li><p>Nebraska is a much better addition than Missouri. Academically, neither school is that great, but athletically, the Big 10 is a football conference and Nebraska is a heavyweight. </p></li>
<li><p>I am not sure how North Carolina or GT fit in better with Notre Dame and BC than they do in the Big 10. Not all universities necessarily fit in perfectly within their conference. Vanderbilt in the SEC or Colorado and Utah in the Pac 12 are good examples. I agree that Duke is not a perfect fit in the Big 10, but if the ACC implodes, their best bet is the Big 10, more for academic and image than cultural purposes. Given their size, the mega-conferences will tend to have quite a mix of university types.</p></li>
<li><p>Notre Dame will eventually join a conference, though probably not the Big 10 as I suspect it will be the first mega-conference to reach its desired size and stop expending by the time that happens. Ironically, I see them eventually joining the Pac 12, or whatever it will call itself once it has finished expending. Notre Dame has a strong rivalry with Stanford and USC and the Pac 12 is academically more in line with Notre Dame than the SEC or the Big 12. I find it funny that the ACC is ready to implode the same year that they decided to join it for all sports except for Football and Hockey. With a Big 10 Hockey league being formed which would include traditional ND rivals Michigan and Michigan State, and given its football history with Big 10 programs such as IU, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern and Purdue, their decision to join the ACC shows how out-of-touch with reality Notre Dame really is. They think they football program is unique and head-and-shoulders above the rest. It obviously isn’t, but as long as they do, they will remain independent.</p></li>
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<p>At least Mizzou is still in the AAU 
Missouri seems to get a lot of rep here in Illinois for some reason, probably due to the heavy recruiting in Chicago.
Even though IU, Michigan, Northwestern, Penn state, Purdue, and Wisconsin all have a lot of international students, I still see them as Midwestern Universities.
At least in a historical sense. I’m really not in favor of how spread out the conference is getting. From Nebraska to the east coast. I realize that BIG is trying to expand their TV markets, but come on.
I think the reason ND didn’t join the B1G is because of the way B1G does merchandise.
They end throwing all of the merch sales into a large pool and distributing that money or something along those lines.
–The BIG 10 is a football conference.
Even more reason UNC shouldn’t join</p>
<p>Nebraska was in the AAU when they joined the Big 10, and they will likely be readmitted in a couple of years. Not that it matters, few will count Missouri or Nebraska as academic powerhouses. </p>
<p>I agree that geographically, those schools are midwestern. However if you look at the student and faculty makeup of those schools, they are not midwestern. At most of those schools, over 30% of undergrads and over 80% of faculty are not midwestern. </p>
<p>Notre Dame not joining the Big 10 us a matter of ego. They think they are better. Money is not an issue since they would not lose money by joining the Big 10. </p>
<p>Although the Big 10 is a football conference, it does not make it any less of a basketball conference. Football is the main college sport, eclipsing all other sports, including basketball by a large margin. And since the Big 10 is one of the stronger football conferences, it will naturally be known as a football conference. But if you look at the top basketball conferences, the Big 10 would also be considered among them. The Big 10 leads the nation in basketball game attendance.</p>
<p>I am not in favor of, or opposed to, expansion. I do not see the big deal either way. While on the one hand tradition will be diluted, on the other hand, there will be far more cohesion in determining the national champion. So far, the national championship in college football has been largely mythical. Nobody doubts the Basketball or Hockey national champion, but there is often controversy in determining the Football national champion. As long as the rules are amended to accommodate the larger number of members, expansion could benefit the game. This would most probably entail adding more conference games, and prolonging the regular season from 12 games to 14 games.</p>
<p>Big Ten Expansion: North Carolina Judge Refuses To Dismiss ACC Suit Vs. Maryland</p>
<p>[Big</a> Ten Expansion: North Carolina Judge Refuses To Dismiss ACC Suit Vs. Maryland - BC Interruption](<a href=“Big Ten Expansion: North Carolina Judge Refuses To Dismiss ACC Suit Vs. Maryland - BC Interruption”>Big Ten Expansion: North Carolina Judge Refuses To Dismiss ACC Suit Vs. Maryland - BC Interruption)</p>
<p>Hopkins would not be a real member-just 1 sport. I can see ND joining as a hockey only member too. Makes sense in both cases for both sides.</p>
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The recent additions and rumored prospects will really enhance the football product…:rolleyes:</p>
<p>Here is a map of the projected conferences - circa 2030</p>
<p><a href=“http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Sun_Belt_Map_2012.xcf/800px-Sun_Belt_Map_2012.xcf.png[/url]”>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Sun_Belt_Map_2012.xcf/800px-Sun_Belt_Map_2012.xcf.png</a></p>
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<p>Black is Big 12 aka Our Last Hope
Orange is SEC aka The Last Champions
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Grey is the B112G once known as Big 10.</p>
<p>Note that the National Championship Game between the Big12 and the SEC is played in Jerry Jones Palace in Arlington. </p>
<p>The B112G League plays a game similar to the Pro Bowl in Hawaii on Chrismas Day.</p>
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Hockey is almost a non-factor in conference realignment and ND gains a lot of prestige by staying independent.</p>
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Their football teams would probably be middle of the line next year. In terms of history, both of these schools surpass Indiana, Illinois, Minnesota, and Northwestern.</p>
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If Basketball reduced the number of games and expanded their stadiums, they would be right on par with Football. College Basketball has a rabid following and is right there with College Football as the heavyweights of college sports.</p>
<p>Not really goldenboy. Syracuse’s arena can accommodate 35,000, yet you will never see more than 23,000 or 24,000 in attendance. The average attendance for Syracuse home games is well under 20,000. And Syracuse is a major BB program. Even if a basketball arena could accommodate 100,000, you would not have more than 20,000 in attendance on average. Some games may attract 25,000 or even 30,000 fans, but the majority of the games would not attract more than 15,000. At more than 50 universities, Football will sell out and attract over 50,000 fans for each and every game. At some universities, like OSU, PSU and Tennessee, over 100,000 fans will attend each and every game. Football is king in college sports.</p>
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Alexandre, the reason for the disparity is quite simply the fact that there are far fewer football games than basketball games in a season so each football takes on a greater level of importance for the university community. If Syracuse played Duke at home, I will bet my life that the Carrier Dome would be fully packed and there would be a line outside the stadium starting the evening before perhaps.</p>
<p>Also, for some reason, big state schools tend to be better at Football while smaller private colleges and public schools tend to excel at Basketball. That being said, the Bowl Season in Football doesn’t compare to March Madness.</p>
<p>In terms of postseason importance, March Madness is king! ;)</p>
<p>Oh wait look Alexandre, the Carrier Dome will be sold out this Saturday for Georgetown! That’s actually a pretty crazy coincidence since we were just talking about this…</p>
<p>[Syracuse</a> announces Georgetown game will set new attendance record - CBSSports.com](<a href=“NCAA Division I Mens Basketball - College Basketball News, Scores, Stats, Standings, and Rumors - CBSSports.com”>NCAA Division I Mens Basketball - College Basketball News, Scores, Stats, Standings, and Rumors - CBSSports.com)</p>
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<p>Just to be clear, Notre Dame has been in the same hockey conference with Michigan, Michigan State, and Ohio State for quite a few years now. It’s called the CCHA, and it’s going to fold when Big Ten hockey starts next year, with Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Penn State (new program) as charter members. With the CCHA going belly-up, Notre Dame has announced it’s joining the Hockey East conference, which consists of 11 New England schools and is adding a 12th New England school, UConn, along with Notre Dame. Talk about a geographical mismatch. Kinda dumb, IMO. ND would be a much better fit in the B1G as a hockey-only member.</p>
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<p>Nonsense. Follow the money. The money in college sports is in football. Typically the only net revenue-producing sports at any college are football and men’s basketball; hockey also produces a small net surplus at a handful of schools (Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan). All the other sports are usually money-losers, and the question is whether football and basketball–but mostly football–will generate enough of a surplus to subsidize the other sports, or whether they require a subsidy from the central administration. But if you compare football to basketball, it’s not even close in terms of either gross revenue or “profit margin” (technically, surplus of revenue over expenses, because these are at least nominally not-for-profit organizations). At all but a tiny handful of schools (Duke may be one), football brings in higher gross revenues and heftier surpluses than basketball, often by many multiples. It’s not uncommon for football to produce 60 to 80% of the entire athletic department budget, and basketball something on the order of 10 to 15%. </p>
<p>Football is king because that’s where the money is.</p>
<p>And yet the average attendance at Syracuse is still under 25,000.</p>
<p>Look at the facts. There have been 700 games played in Carrier Dome since 1980. This is just the 72nd time that the number of spectators will exceed 30,000. That’s not very impressive. Football stadiums with 100,000 capacity sell out for every single game. Let us be honest. If Basketball programs could attract larger crowds, and sell tickets at a higher price, major programs would build larger arenas capable of seating 20,000 or more spectators. The fact that only a handful of arenas can seat mover 20,000 is a clear indication of how much support there is for the sport. College sports are all about financial sustenance. Football generates far more money than Basketball. </p>
<p>And I am not sure how comparing a tournament with 64 teams to a single national championship game is possible. I am fairly certain that the BCS title game has a slightly higher TV rating than the NCAA Basketball tournament championship game.</p>
<p>Too bad about ND going to Hockey East. Must really be afraid of any BIG relationship no matter how sensible. UW used to play ND in hockey every year before the old WCHA split when they and UM/MSU all left to save money on travel.
College bball is a good game but has been drained by early 1 and done players and is no match for football in overall game day experience.</p>
<p>^^</p>
<p>Texas had one of **only 22 Division I public school athletics programs in 2010-11 to generate enough revenue, exclusive of subsidies, to cover expenses the NCAA’s benchmark of whether an athletics department is self-supporting. ** Less than 10 schools did this while receiving no subsidies. Even fewer accomplished both of those achievements and transferred money to their institution. </p>
<p>[Texas</a> had $163.3 million in athletic revenue in 2011-12](<a href=“Texas had $163.3 million in athletic revenue in 2011-12”>Texas had $163.3 million in athletic revenue in 2011-12)</p>
<p>Now, onto basketball:</p>
<p>The University of Texas is the highest-ranked Texas college in the nation for bringing in revenue from its mens college basketball programs. UT ranked ranked 12th in revenue for the 2010-2011 season at $15.6 million, according to Equality in Athletic data from the U.S. Department of Education.The Texas A&M Aggies came in at No. 40 with $8.85 million.</p>
<p>Duke University topped the list with revenue of $26.6 million. </p>
<p>[UT</a> Longhorns top state in basketball program revenue - Houston Business Journal](<a href=“http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2011/10/20/ut-longhorns-top-state-in-basketball.html]UT”>http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2011/10/20/ut-longhorns-top-state-in-basketball.html)</p>
<p>For more of the basketball revenues:
[Cinderellas</a> make headlines, basketball powers make money - Memphis Business Journal](<a href=“http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/news/2011/10/13/cinderellas-make-headlines.html]Cinderellas”>http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/news/2011/10/13/cinderellas-make-headlines.html)</p>
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<p>Johns Hopkins is a giant in the lacrosse world. I think its joining the B1G for lacrosse only makes a lot of sense. With Maryland and Rutgers joining the B1G, that makes 5 B1G schools with varsity men’s lacrosse (Maryland, Rutgers, Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan), all geographically on the eastern side of the conference. Johns Hopkins would make 6, enough to compete as a conference. On the women’s side there are already 6 (the aforementioned, plus Northwestern), but JHU would make a nice complement there as well.</p>
<p>What would UNC, Virginia and Georgia Tech bring to the Big Ten?</p>
<p>[What</a> would UNC, Virginia and Georgia Tech bring to the Big Ten? - Land-Grant Holy Land](<a href=“What would UNC, Virginia and Georgia Tech bring to the Big Ten? - Land-Grant Holy Land”>What would UNC, Virginia and Georgia Tech bring to the Big Ten? - Land-Grant Holy Land)</p>