Big Ten Expansion - Phase II

College Search & Selection
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<p>“Being a super moderator still does not excuse you from posting the source of your rankings. Sparkeye was using the USNWR…Like it or not it, is the most accepted ranking out there.”</p>

<p>BaghDAD, the sources of my Undergraduate Academic Reputation Rating is the USNWR. It is the combined average between the Peer Assessment score and the High School Counselor score.</p>

<p>"de Gaulle, in many people’s opinion was a pompous idiot, I don’t think Hutchins has been called that in anything I have read. However, de Gaulle did leave us with an all time (albeit sexist) gem: “The cemeteries of the the world are full of “irreplaceable” men.” "</p>

<p>By “many people’s opinion”, I assume you mean American opinion right? The French actually appreciate De Gaulle. Without him, France would not have recovered as well or as quickly from WWII. Thanks to him, France not only recovered, but became one of Europe’s three primary powers. He was tough, militaristic and by the late 1960s, disconnected from modern-day realities, but even then, when the time came for him to step down, he did so gracefully.</p>

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<p>Alexandre,</p>

<p>Again, my best buddy Sparkeye used the overall ratings, that is what I used in reply. Thank you for clarifying where you got the data.</p>

<p>Man, we need to re-name this the de Gaulle thread! The opinions include British, Turkish and one Arab regarding the pomposity. Again, I tried to balance it by showing de Gaulle’s wisdom with one of his greatest quotes. One area which should not be in dispute regarding de Gaulle was his bravery in combat, as true a test of fortitude as anything. de Gaulle repeatedly counterattacked with his tanks against the Germans, was captured, escaped and continued to fight until he fled to the UK and raised the Free French movement. </p>

<p>Who’s next? Leclerc, Juin, Admiral Darlan? This thread is totally off-topic, but far more stimulating now.</p>

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<p>BaghDAD, I like the USNWR rankings, but I find the formula a little too private-university-centric. For this reason, I chose to use the Undergraduate Academic Reputation rating as a basis for comparison as it is, in my opinion, a better indicator of academic excellence.</p>

<p>On a side note, I am an Arab, and I personally think very highly of De Gaulle. In fact, most Arabs either have no opinion on the man or hold him in high regard. The only Arabs who do not like him are Northwestern Africans (Algerians especially), which is to be expected given the way the French treated them in early-mid 20th century. </p>

<p>I am also not surprised that the Turks and the Brits do not like him…but then again, I do not really respect the governments of those those two countries (one of which denies the genocide of a million Armenians and the other that cannot help but wag its little tail to its former colony), so I couldn’t care less what they think! hehe!</p>

<p>But as far as leaders go, I think De Gaulle was very good. He put France above himself and did what was best for his country. If I were to compare him to another leader, I would compare him to Konrad Adenauer. Those two men were handed countries that were severely damaged by WWII and in a matter of two decades, turned them into Europe’s two main powers.</p>

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<p>@BaghDAD</p>

<p>First off, I would appreciate it if you do not twist my intention or words. I did question (with a ? mark) and perhaps accuse you of an OSU hater based on the same evidence and rational that you accused of ‘the few’ immature OSU students that you had encountered on your Friday & Saturday night visit to the off-campus Frat House where your family friend resided, thereby generalized OSU student body as a whole as ‘somewhat immature’ when submitting the evaluation report back in ’07. As someone who attended tOSU, I do challenge you to make another trip during the weekdays (hopefully during the daytime as well) to places like the Main or the 24/7 Science & Engineering library, the BioSci/Pharm Library in the Molecular Genetics Building across the Ohio Stadium or even the Honors College by the Mirror Lake. I, Personally studied at the Medical School Library if not the Science & Engineering Library throughout my tenure at tOSU. Even on the weekend, these locals were well occupied by the hardworking students except perhaps the nights of Friday & Saturday…</p>

<p>In addition, so far as I am concerned, your assessment in the report regarding to campus aesthetic and safety were once again, overly generalized and unprofessional. Granted, part of the High Street (especially the south campus) is certainly not the safest urban campus that one would like to be wondering around past midnight (Also, I do agree with you that more bluephones and street lights are needed to be installed both on and peripheral campus area for safety concerns as tOSU is one of the largest campuses in the country), a student can always dial for campus courtesy Saferide for pickup at any location on campus if he or she is frighten to walk home alone late at night. Moreover, OSU dorms might be dull looking, unattractive both inside and out, especially the twin towers by the Olentangey River, yet there are over 40 of them and I refuse to believe that you’ve seen most of them. </p>

<p>[University</a> Residences & Dining Services : Halls](<a href=“Page Not Found : Housing and Residence Education”>Page Not Found : Housing and Residence Education)</p>

<p>Furthermore, I strongly disagree with your statement that most buildings on tOSU campus look like those from the “communist Russia.” Just so you know, there are well over 500 buildings (including a handful of National Register of Historic Buildings) on campus that even I myself did not get a chance to tour them all after all those years I was in school. Here is the aerial photos of The Oval, the heart of Ohio State’s campus where many of the core academic science buildings ring its edge. </p>

<p><a href=“http://msidesign.com/wp-content/uploads/osu-william-oxley-thompson-library/full-5.jpg[/url]”>http://msidesign.com/wp-content/uploads/osu-william-oxley-thompson-library/full-5.jpg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Students having fun, relaxing and socializing on the Oval</p>

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<p>Last but not the least, if there is one thing that I absolutely disapprove of (in fact, utterly disgusted) living in the USA the last twenty years, is that of the ‘abuse’ of the power of Bill of Rights and its Amendments – The Supreme Law of the Land by the people. Similarly, it’s a privilege to be able to submit an evaluation of a particular school here on CC. Nonetheless, don’t abuse it!</p>

<p>“So no matter what how you try to intimidate, YOUR ROYAL BUCKEYE _____ doesn’t scare me on bit.”</p>

<p>Excuse me?! This is beyond misleading which really makes me laugh…lol</p>

<p>Still, thank you for letting me know that by declaring my tOSU alum status and fanhood, I get to intimidate or scare people. Maybe I will consider using it more often from now on… Go Bucks!! lol</p>

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<p>• X Division </p>

<p>Michigan<br>
Michigan State<br>
Minnesota
Northwestern
Nebraska
Iowa </p>

<p>• O Division </p>

<p>Ohio State
Penn State
Wisconsin
Illinois
Indiana
Purdue</p>

<p>The protected inter-division crossover games:</p>

<p>• Ohio State-Michigan
• Wisconsin-Minnesota
• Penn State-Nebraska
• Illinois-Northwestern
• Indiana-Michigan State
• Purdue-Iowa</p>

<p>Division Map:</p>

<p><a href=“http://frankthetank.files.■■■■■■■■■■■■■/2010/09/big-ten-divisions.jpg[/url]”>http://frankthetank.files.■■■■■■■■■■■■■/2010/09/big-ten-divisions.jpg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Big 10 (Plus 2) AD Is The Best</p>

<p>By Steve Murray
Wednesday - September 08, 2010</p>

<p>Can The Big Game get any bigger? We are about to find out.</p>

<p>The soon to be 12-team Big Ten will be split for the 2011 football season with Michigan and Ohio State leading the two yet unnamed divisions.</p>

<p>If things play out as hoped, the two schools with a historical disdain for each other could meet twice a season. It’s the rematch Wolverine fans have wanted since 2006 when No. 1 Ohio State beat No. 2 Michigan 42-39 leaving the Michigan Mafia without tickets to a national championship game rematch, which they believed was earned.</p>

<p>The idea at first worried conference bean counters, who feared a possible split would turn the once hard-fought and hugely profitable game into a bi-annual contest with little resemblance to the 10-Year War that brought the rivalry into the modern age and made everyone much wealthier.</p>

<p>Enter Jim Delany. The conference commissioner made sure Woody and Bo would remain at rest while adding even more money to the overflowing conference coffers. He kept the rivalries alive, created two balanced divisions and furthered the fact that their commissioner is better than your commissioner.</p>

<p>Love him or hate him, you have to respect the guy with stones of Van Wilder’s dog and the look and tricky brilliance of Robert Duval circa Days of Thunder.</p>

<p>Delany just out-works, out-thinks and out-maneuvers everyone. As commissioner of the Ohio Valley Conference, he convinced the schools to pay ESPN for airtime. The midnight tipoffs and fans in pajamas brought unprecedented coverage to the conference. Now, he’s pro Big Ten, even to the detriment of others.</p>

<p>Dare to complain he is ruining college football and he’ll calmly tell you he doesn’t work for college football, just the Big Ten. A popular president pushes for a college football playoff and Delany is respectful, but says Obama doesn’t understand the complexities of the issue.</p>

<p>Delany understands. He helped create the Bowl Championship Series - the plan specifically designed to not only maintain but enhance college athletics caste system.</p>

<p>And if you’re wondering how the NCAA got the idea of delaying the start of the college baseball season, therefore pushing the College World Series to the summer months, it was Delany.</p>

<p>Delany gets his juice from his relationships with university presidents, whom he has wined, dined and cajoled until chain of command seems reversed, and the fact that his conference occupies nearly a quarter of all television households.</p>

<p>So clear is his power, Delany can move at his own pace. While everyone expected the Big Ten to raid the Big East and Big 12 for as many as five schools in a whirlwind of greed that would rip apart conferences and leave others to disintegrate under their own ineptitude, Delany moved slow, pulling in only Nebraska. As they say, when an average man hooks up with a hottie, nice pull.</p>

<p>The Cornhuskers not only added a nice geographic rival for Iowa, and Kansas or Missouri should Delany decide to offer an invitation, but an entire state of viewers, widespread alumni and, most important to the image of the conference, membership in the Association of American Universities - an organization of 63 elite research universities whose membership is by invite only. Kansas and Missouri also are members.</p>

<p>Delany’s conference realignment makes sense. One division will boast Michigan, Nebraska, Iowa, Michigan State, Minnesota and Northwestern, while the other Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin, Illinois, Purdue and Indiana. If we assume Michigan will shortly resume its traditional spot in the conference, each side has a school to counterbalance the other. Michigan-Ohio State, check. Nebraska-Penn State, check. Iowa-Wisconsin, check. Michigan State-Illinois, check with the edge to Sparty. The other four hardly matter.</p>

<p>So, everyone is happy - minus Cornhusker fans who were hoping to avoid any first-year hazing. Nebraska begins year one in the conference with the opener at Wisconsin. They get Ohio State at home then go on the road to Minnesota. Michigan State and Northwestern come for a visit before the Huskers travel to Penn State and Michigan before ending the season at home against Iowa.</p>

<p>Delany didn’t do the new kid any favors, but $25 million in annual TV money should help heal any wounds in Lincoln. </p>

<p>Link: [Big</a> 10 (Plus 2) AD Is The Best | Hot Air | Midweek.com](<a href=“http://www.midweek.com/content/columns/hotair_article/big_10_plus_2_ad_is_the_best/]Big”>Big 10 (Plus 2) AD Is The Best | Hot Air | Midweek.com)</p>

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<p>It’s been funny watching Alexandre and RJK wipe the egg off their faces after I said Nebraska would make a great addition to the Big Ten and they scoffed. </p>

<p>Kansas and Mizzou would be more logical additions than Rutgers, Syracuse and/or Pitt, IMO. The schools sports culture and midwest flagship campus identities mesh with current Big Ten members. I’d rather have the following of the entire state of Kansas or Missouri rather than a very small percentage of NYC/New Jersey. Just my $0.02.</p>

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<p>Academically I still say they don’t belong, but what’s done is done. Eggs are tough to clean up!</p>

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<p>I’d rather have the media base and advertising potential of the NY Metro area than every person, cow, dog and pig in Kansas or Mizzu. You have a high income profile, high education levels for the upper portion, and BIG NUMBERS. They are just there for the picking. Nobody has paid any attention to them for 40 years. You market the college football experience as something unique and often even superior to NFL football which tends to have a dreary sameness from team to team.</p>

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<p>@UCBChemEGrad</p>

<p>“Kansas and Mizzou would be more logical additions than Rutgers, Syracuse and/or Pitt, IMO.”</p>

<p>I agreed!! However, ‘none’ of the above mentioned schools possess the pedigree and tradition in terms of $football$ close to that of Nebraska. However, if given the choice between Kansas & Mizzou, Kansas is more of a Bball only school, so I would definitely favor Mizzou to the Big Ten due to its above average programs both in Fball & Bball. After all, it is the missing piece in the current Big Ten territory.</p>

<p>Best winning percentages over the last 50 years (min. 500 games)</p>

<ol>
<li>Nebraska-0.775 462-132-6</li>
<li>Ohio St-0.757 426-133-11</li>
<li>Penn St-0.743 434-149-3</li>
<li>Texas-0.741 430-148-8</li>
<li>Alabama-0.733 433-155-9</li>
<li>Oklahoma-0.729 423-154-10</li>
<li>Michigan-0.727 414-152-10</li>
<li>Southern Cal-0.722 416-155-16</li>
<li>Tennessee-0.693 399-172-17</li>
<li>Georgia-0.690 395-173-15 </li>
</ol>

<p>Source: [HuskerBoard.com</a> - Husker Message Board](<a href=“http://www.huskerboard.com/]HuskerBoard.com”>http://www.huskerboard.com/)</p>

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Here’s a hot moist towel…you got some right here <em>points to chin</em>… :)</p>

<p>Barrons, I understand the money and market issue…and the fact that they’ve been “neglected” programs. Does the Big Ten go for less money and geographic tradition or embark on an investment speculation campaign in the Big Apple? I still don’t think the latter is that great of an option. Rutgers will never be a Penn State, sports fan-wise.</p>

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<p>UCB, I do not recall saying that Nebraska would not be a good fit for the Big 10. I perhaps felt that Texas and Notre Dame would be better additions, but Nerbraska would have been my fourth choice (I am still dreaming that Chicago will return to Division I sports).</p>

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<p>^ I believe you said Pac-10 can take Nebraska and Big Ten takes Notre Dame. In that context…fine, your face is clean… but now you got Nebraska and still no ND. You just want the academic patina of a Notre Dame or UChicago to elevate your sports conference standing.</p>

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<p>No, but when Rutgers is playing PSU, OSU, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nebraska and on down the line just a short ride from NYC it can create substantial interest in the game. Now RU will have to be able to hold its own in the games as nobody likes blowouts every year. Add in an OOC game or two with a good national name and you have the base for some increment in interest. If you just can move the needle up a couple ratings points you have enough added eyeballs to increase advertising rates, etc. Also the BTN would love to be in every home in NY whether they watch it much or not.</p>

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<p>UCB, I wanted Notre Dame because of its tradition with Michigan and Texas because it is more similar to Wicsconsin and Michigan than Nebraska. But I still respect Nebraska a great deal and having them in the Big 10 is a great addition.</p>

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<p>^ Fair enough. Both the Pac-10 and Big Ten wanted Texas for the $. We both ended up with our second choices…schools that are thrilled to be joining our respective conferences and add value.</p>

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<p>As someone who has been following this whole Big Ten expansion event religiously, I can sincerely say that part of this mix-feeling towards Nebraska into the Big Ten is the direct result of last minute decision by the conference. Prior to the official announcement in June, most media outlets had Big Ten either seeking schools to the East if not the South , in addition to Notre Dame. It was not until the week after Big XII AD issued the conference ultimatum did the Godfather himself - Jim Delany made his move. Therefore, literary for nearly 6 months, most Big Teners including myself were totally in the dark. Hence, please excuse us for the ‘late’ welcoming of the Huskers to our family. Anyway, Go Big Ten & Go Huskers!! lol</p>

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<p>Sparkeye7, I love ya man (or gal), but you’ve got to give it a rest with this constant Big Ten expansion speculation.</p>

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<p>^^ “Sparkeye7, I love ya man (or gal), but you’ve got to give it a rest with this constant Big Ten expansion speculation.” </p>

<p>Thanks for the love!!! ;p
Believe or not, I am getting tired myself, too!!! Haha!! </p>

<p>Anyhow, Delany has said that he will reveal whether to end or add more schools roughly by the end of the year. So, let’s just sit tight and wait… lol</p>

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<p>OK Sparkeye. LOL. Now let’s hear your prediction for this week’s Michigan vs. Notre Dame game. And when is the administration at Michigan going to give Rodriguez the heave ho?</p>