<p>^^ My understanding is that this student has visited both places. I think she would find Ursinus stifling. I'm not trying to poke at the OP here- I just think his daughter might like a little larger school that is not so insular. Ursinus has some strong programs (pre-med in particular)- my niece took math classes there while she was in high school. To me, the school doesn't feel a whole lot different from niece's high school.</p>
<p>I don't know, kids can be weird. My son looked at Caltech, Stanford and Berkeley - very different in size and atmosphere. He thought they were all fine. In the end he ended up on a midsize campus, but campus size and location didn't seem to make much difference to him - though we didn't look at any in the middle of nowhere campuses. (He had seen plenty of them via CTY, but they didn't offer the academics he wanted.)</p>
<p>And congrats on the first acceptance, I know how good that feels!</p>
<p>MOWC: All the small LACs could be called "insular." Dickinson and Swarthmore certainly felt insular. Kenyon and Oberlin are in the middle of nowhere. Ursinus is a short drive to the second biggest mall in the United States of America. She actually liked Ursinus' cozier, flatter campus more than the 1,600 acres at Lehigh with its dorms up steep hills. Scratch that--mountains. I still remember that hike. Whew! Even my D commented on hiking up and down mountains to get to and from class, food, library, whatever, and she's young and slim. When you build a campus on the slope of a mountain there's a price to pay. Some very good students won't attend for just that reason. I needed oxygen by the time I got up to one of those dorms. LOL</p>
<p>Swarthmore is a lot more liberal than Ursinus and it is a lot easier to get into Philadelphia. Ursinus sits pretty far out there and you do need a car (or the shuttles the school provides) to get to King of Prussia. I actually worked at K of P in high school, believe it or not, before it was the giant mall it is today. I still spend (too much) time there. I'm not knocking Ursinus- I think it is a good little school for the right kid. I just see your D more at Swarthmore-type schools.</p>
<p>My prediction is she'll wind up at either Oberlin, Swarthmore or Cornell. Then again, I predicted the New England Patriots would win the last Super Bowl.</p>
<p>"To pursue the concept of racial entitlement - even for the most admirable and benign of purposes - is to reinforce and preserve for future mischief the way of thinking that produced race slavery, race privilege and race hatred. In the eyes of government, we are just one race here. It is American."</p>
<p>-Antonin Scalia, Adarand Constructors, Inc. v. Mineta, 534 U.S. 103 (1995)</p>
<p>As a Lehigh student from this so called "non-diverse" NJ, I think that racial tensions at school are really not much of a problem, or at least so much of a problem as to drive certain social/racial groups away from the school. We actually have a very strong community of educators. The Monday after there were some "racial" tensions in regards to the election on 4 Nov, I among 300+ students addressed the issues in front of the university president. </p>
<p>Students</a>, faculty pack auditorium after racist acts at Lehigh - News</p>
<p>Calling them rednecks is racist, so I guess you aren't exempt from being a little racist yourself? So what if they don't support Obama. I am a Ron Paul guy myself, and I didn't want a socialist in the White House. Does this make me an evil racist? </p>
<p>Please quit being so narrowminded and ignorant OP, it makes parents look bad.</p>
<p>Lots of NJ folks at Ursinus.</p>
<p>I thought Lehigh's campus was unusual for being built on the side of a steep hill; but that was before I had been to Holy Cross. Believe it or not, Holy Cross is even steeper. The lack of a "center" to the campus turned DS off to Holy Cross. Lehigh was already a non-starter for him, since DH & I went to Lafayette, ha ha.</p>
<p>Personally, the thought of having to traverse Lehigh or HC's hill to get to food, class, etc on a snowy/icy/rainy day would be rather daunting to me.</p>
<p>"The Monday after there were some "racial" tensions in regards to the election on 4 Nov, I among 300+ students addressed the issues in front of the university president." - lehighengineers</p>
<p>I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but that's just my point. Lehighengineers, are you a URM? I just can't imagine any college/university north of the Mason-Dixon line, with the possible exception of the service academies, that would have enough students so upset about the outcome of the Nov. 4 election that the university president had to address the issue. I'm flabbergasted by that. Why Lehigh? Did the presidents of any of the Ivy League schools have to "address the issue?" How about the presidents of the top 10 LACs? The top 20? What is the deal exactly at Lehigh? I could understand the white students at Ole Miss all contemplating mass suicide after the election, but Lehigh? In Pennsylvania? Why would the outcome of the election cause a problem at Lehigh? It leads to only one conclusion, which I won't repeat. </p>
<p>If we look at the stats at Lehigh vs other schools (again, excluding the service academies), Lehigh University does stand out in one way: It's not located in a college town and it is overwhelmingly male, white male to be precise. Other than white southerners of both genders, white males in other parts of the country are the only major demographic group to vote overwhelmingly for John McCain. When almost 60% of the student body is white male....put the pieces together. </p>
<p>Some people try to compare Lehigh with Lafayette and Bucknell, but neither of those schools is lopsidely male like Lehigh.</p>
<p>Well then Lehigh should be off your (oh wait- it's your DAUGHTER who is applying to college) list. End of topic.</p>
<p>I believe of all the posts and all the comments on this and other threads, the most intolerant viewpoints and rush to stereotype whole universities, states and sections of the country are coming from you (Plainsman). I live in the mid-south now and have co-workers/friends who attended many of the southern universities. Many, many of them are Obama supporters. Yes, Ole Miss is on the conservative side, but it is not a requirement for admission that you be a white Republican.</p>
<p>I agree MomofWildChild..I feel like the only racist here is Plainsman.</p>
<p>"What is the deal exactly at Lehigh? I could understand the white students at Ole Miss all contemplating mass suicide after the election, but Lehigh? In Pennsylvania? Why would the outcome of the election cause a problem at Lehigh? It leads to only one conclusion, which I won't repeat."</p>
<p>For someone who doesn't want his daughter pre-judged, you sure as heck do a lot of pre-judging yourself. Maybe your fears about your dd being stereotyped are a reflection of the fact that you do a lot of stereotyping about people yourself.</p>
<p>And what is your deal with McCain supporters? I was an Obama supporter and a pretty staunch Democrat and yet amazingly enough it's not threatening to me to be around McCain supporters, or have my children be around them. What, are you afraid that they're going to have cooties? Rub off on your dd? Reasonable people can support McCain, you know. Your fear of white males seems awfully similar to the fear of black men that you felt the victim of.</p>
<p>MOWC, while I agree that you don't have to be a white Republican to go to Ole Miss, I can tell you that she has classmates from HS that go there, and to Auburn. All of them have reported that they have gotten lots of crap during and after the election if they do not support the "Republican way" as they heard it! I know personally the girl from Auburn and she was very shook up from other students verbally abusing her for her polictical views, to the point her parents have moved her out of the dorm! She is not a "loud" political person whatsoever, they did this to her just based on the knowledge that she was supporting Obama!</p>
<p>I can assure you that my son and a few of his friends took a lot of crap during the campaign and after the election at their Ivy for being Republicans.</p>
<p>Well I'm an independent, and this campaign I was really pushing for Paul. I think Obama won because of over-hyping. What is California doing supporting a liberal president so much and then passing a ban on gay marriage? That is so hypocritical and shows ulterior motives, imho.</p>
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After reading a zillion posts in another thread insisting I was wrong in my fear that Lehigh U's almost all-white student body was conservative to the point of racist, comes this article in today's Morning Call, the main newspaper of the Lehigh Valley (PA). </p>
<p>Lehigh U. confronts campus racism -- themorningcall.com
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<p>That link didn't work for me. IIRC, on your previous thread there were no specifics. I'm open minded and will be glad to condemn any form of bigotry - starting with your smear of consevatives above - who are no more racist than liberals, probably a lot less so.</p>
<p>But if you could give us a better link I'll be glad to check in and read about whatever happened.</p>
<p>I can't believe this thread is still alive. I do believe Plainsman lives to yank people's chains. His daughter was raised to be white (as she is just as much white as black) and I can't really imagine many college campuses (north or south of that dreaded Mason-Dixon line) that would be any more racist than any mostly white high school. Those same students she goes to high school with don't get a brain transplant before heading off to college. This guy has some serious issues (loves to brag about dating white women, is a racist as well as a snob). Read some old posts and then quit feeding his neediness and ego.</p>
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with the possible exception of the service academies, that would have enough students so upset about the outcome of the Nov. 4 election that the university president had to address the issue.
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good grief Plainsman - are you implying that cadets and midshipmen are racist?
this thread makes my head hurt.</p>
<p>I went to Lehigh, and, from my experience, it is not a supportive place for liberals. I found lots of good people and respected many of my professors; however, the overall flavor is far more supportive of intelligent design then it is of affirmative action…</p>