<p>And I'd written such good stuff and it appears to be gone. whaa? </p>
<p>Oh well, qwilde please read more of my posts and you'll find your assesments of me aren't even close. but that's Ok. </p>
<p>Man, and I had some good stuff written down too..,. Second serve, :) </p>
<p>Hey actually saved some of it.</p>
<p>"Exactly, my point. In an immediate response to the first incident, the school should have provided necessary assistance i.e. counseling and punished him accordingly and reasonably. Instead they did nothing to help and when he inevitably drank again they resorted to abruptly suspending him for an entire year, which might ultimately destroy his self-confidence.</p>
<p>Now do you know for sure they offerred no help? I think you may be reaching to a conclusion that isn't occurring on campus across the country. I don't know of a school (I would bet BYU too) that doesn't have a drug & alcohol counsulor as full time admin. I would bet the farm that all around campus are programs and literature that would help this kid. I think you're selling the school a bit short. How much should they do for 1st offense? I am sure they have a policy in writing in how they deal. Do you want me to look it up or will you? :) </p>
<p>"Initially, they hadn’t penalized him or even to bothered to help, which subsequently attenuated his behavior and in a sense even condoned it. The school conveyed the message that it was just a trivial matter that could be brushed aside. " </p>
<p>I didn't see that or read that anywhere. How do you know they didn't try to help? And to what respect can a college interdict? </p>
<p>"You keep assuming he has a problem. MOST COLLEGE STUDENTS DRINK. Most just don’t get caught. So, if the school really wanted to practice fair treatment they would have to suspend half their student population."</p>
<p>Really? they drink? You obviously missed many of my posts on this subject.:) We dominate fathers weekend beer pong to the point of near legend on my S campus. And yes, we started when he was 19. </p>
<p>And you hit it on the head again.! Most don't get caught! :0 cause they're not so stupid to get that drunk and pass out in a dorm stairwell, where they are so messed up that an aid car hauls them to the ER. </p>
<p>You still seem to think of me as some anti alcohol parent WRONG! I differ from some here on this issue. However I am an anti STUPID behavor parent. If you read my posts on frats, you'll see dumb and stupid and the definitions. </p>
<p>The first time this kid got so wasted he ended up at the ER was Dumb. To be caught a second time and suspended for a year... sorry that's stupid. Or a problem... but if your going to dig your heels in and tell me he doesn't have a problem.. then he is stupid..no? </p>
<p>"Also, I am not stating that he doesn’t have a problem, he may very well do, but that is not for us to decide and is definitely not for us to pass judgment, especially since you probably drank underage as well…don’t fool yourself. " </p>
<p>Again, you've dismissed the illness side of this situation. So that leave me with thinking he's stupid. A reasonable person would have taken it much easier knowing in a few months they would be of legal age. It's not that he drank, it's that he went to excess, got caught, didn't learn and got caught again. </p>
<p>“But the first time... he ended up in the hospital, so he had to be pretty messed up”</p>
<p>{Not necessarily. I have read of multiple instances in which students have been capable enough to walk home, but cops have escorted them to the hospital anyway.}</p>
<p>That wasn't this time though. Please don't change the parameters to fit your arguement. </p>
<p>{Absolutely and I value my kids lives over yours. That's normal. May not be nice but it's normal. When you have kids, you'll feel the same way. </p>
<p>No, I won’t.}</p>
<p>just wait... if you still feel that way can I have your kid's liver? Mine should be shot by then and I'll need a replacement to continue my lifestyle. What's your blood type? :)</p>
<p>“If your kids live with the possibility of a draft to support a war we don't believe in, you'll value your kids and your neighbor's kids lives ahead of someone else in another country too. That's called being a parent. I don't want my kids or my neighbor's kids to die so an executive can make a buck in arms sales.”</p>
<p>"Sorry, but that is your own fault. You, the American people, elect presidents the likes of Bush. You know what such men are capable of and yet you provide them with unlimited power anyway. You have no problem with the president sending young boys to their death and even worse imploring them to kill others (often people that are defending their country), but as soon as it might affect you, you become defensive. If America stopped ****ing the world off i.e. invading other countries and slaughtering their people and walking around with a cavalier “holier than thou” attitude it wouldn’t find itself in the predicaments it’s now in."</p>
<p>You copied me...</p>
<p>{I’ve lived on American military bases almost my entire life (twelve of seventeen years) and lost friends and my family has been affected by the advent of wars for generations, so I’m sure I know much more about sacrifice than you. "</p>
<p>OOOK. We'll just let that one pass. </p>
<p>{“your neighbor's kids lives ahead of someone else in another country too.”</p>
<p>We are all humans; we are all entitled to life no matter where we live. No one life is more valuable than another. We are all born equal.}</p>
<p>yup. very true. However when your older and have more experience you'll understand an anti war stance a bit better.</p>
<p>cheers.</p>