<p>^ I think you missed my thought experiment from the last page.</p>
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That’s ok, I was a TA, grader and tutor, and often wondered the same thing about many people. In fact, I wonder what the majority of people are doing here every time I pass the vegetable garden. I guess Brown’s standards are different than both mine and yours.</p>
<p>Do you think issues like racial and economic justice should be addressed for our society?</p>
<p>I believe racial issues should be addressed with a minimal amount of affirmative-action, and economic issues left to sort themselves out with a minimal amount of state intervention. This is because state intervention is a superficial solution in most cases, which will only have negative effects in the long run.</p>
<p>And you’ll have to define what economic justice is. My economic justice may be different than yours.</p>
<p>And if your economic or social justice requires more taxes than mine, you are always free to donate your money, instead of making me do it too. In fact, I will call all those who vote for higher taxes or cry for social justice hypocrites. If they truly believe that poor/helpless etc need to be supported by the state, why wait for higher taxes? Why not donate the difference today? What if the money you donate could have bought someone medicine to save their life? But you waited like a greedy little monster for everyone else to pay up first. How do you even sleep at night?</p>
<p>And for those who didn’t realize it yet, the thread is about the principles of the whole thing. Not the measly communist group. But of course…nobody reads past the title… …</p>
<p>Haven’t you ever heard of a communative democracy?
Popular vote influences social and economic issues.
Its a common American ideology for God’s sake.</p>
<p>That’s really amazing, but maybe someone who took more humanity classes than I (wouldn’t be very hard -indeed I only took 1) can explain what the flaw is with what I said above.</p>
<p>I don’t see productive exchange on this thread.</p>
<p>Your logic flows like this:</p>
<p>You claim BYCL is evil </p>
<p>Because
communism is comparable to Nazism
cruel & horrible & unrealistic
your own notation about communism about whether it’s right or wrong
and how you think issues like racial and economic justice should be “correctly” addressed</p>
<p>Do your reason support your original claim that BYCL is indeed an evil organization?</p>
<p>Ok I’ll try this approach:</p>
<p>Denying the holocaust is probably not allowed on campus. Why? Does it hurt anyone? Besides some feelings? Even if you do it for practical reasons - say an archeological study. It’s just something entirely related to events in the past.</p>
<p>However, if I were to complain that a communist group hurts my feelings, also based on past events, no one would care.</p>
<p>That is my only problem. My hatred is being discriminated.</p>
<p>I still don’t understand why you guys are still humoring him by responding to this post. Just ignore this thread - and his opinions - and they will simply take a back seat in the dust bins of this forum.</p>
<p>I would just like to add one interesting thing I’ve noted before I leave and never come back to this thread, negru always fails to answer questions aimed towards the reason he is not doing something to make changes directly on campus but is raving on CC. When I asked, he said he had “better things to do”. When someone asked why he had time to post on CC then, he said it only took 5-10 minutes. Then, one poster asked what the difference is between a 5-10 minute post on CC and a 5-10 minute e-mail to Brown administrators or the Communist club. No answer. Figures.</p>
<p>Best Rgds</p>
<p>No actually I did…try and imagine sending my above post to the administration. Like I said, you probably lived too long in your bubble to realize what’s going on campus.</p>
<p>And what’s wrong with discussing the issue anyway? No wonder people fail to think things all the way through, if they stop middle way.</p>
<p>Plus my interaction with the administration so far convinced me that my time is better spent on CC arguing with random people and ■■■■■■. And if you don’t like the topic, that’s great, but dramatic exits won’t prove your point either.</p>
<p>Alas CC, your uncanny pull is all too strong.</p>
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Do I smell some contradiction?</p>
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Who are you to tell me that I - or any of the other people here - live in a bubble? In case you didn’t realize, I live on Long Island and I am 30 minutes from NYC, the most advanced, urban, chic, cultured, secular city in the world. So don’t tell me I have no perspective on things.</p>
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I don’t think you understand why no one wants to have a normal debate with you, you’re a loose cannon that lets personal emotions cloud your sense of judgement and objectivity.</p>
<p>Let’s take a look at some of your previous posts shall we?</p>
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<p>Only a person with an IQ of <50 wouldn’t realize that you’re the one not offering a normal discussion or debate. You’re opinions are clearly inflamed through past experiences and first hand accounts that have made YOU one sided and unwilling to hear the other side. That makes you quite hypocritical doesn’t it? You except us to give you a civilized debate when all you do is rant on and on with no consideration with what we are telling you.</p>
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If you’re so annoyed by the administration. Transfer. There are plenty of other ivy league schools without communist clubs that you can join. Hey! While you’re at it, you should find something more productive to do than spend time on CC arguing with random people. I fail to see how that is time better spent. You’re in college. Your supposed to be getting laid, going to parties, studying, interning, researching. Not sitting on your ass on CC, which is for the most part for High Schoolers applying to college.</p>
<p>Ok if you (or anyone) can give me a sensible reply to any of my two previous posts (about people supporting high taxes being hypocrites etc, and about my comparison with the holocaust), then you will have solved some of my most pressing puzzles, I’ll call it a day and go get laid if that makes you happy.</p>
<p>And your smell must be funny, because what I meant was that I already answered the respective question, by referring the poster to page 2.</p>
<p>With the more emotional remarks I was trying to show that there is more to communism than I assume most high-school/college students know about, as I deduced from the general atmosphere which I experienced here. Some actually thought that communism was really ok, and evil republican hippie hating presidents just tricked us into fearing them, while they really were a bunch of chill folks. When the reality is that you can take any statistic and quickly realize that communism was the single most murderous regime in history - Stalin’s regime alone killed about as many civilians as world war two did civilians and soldiers - with even worse long term side effects. Given the figures, I would have expected more raised eyebrows to sponsoring a communist group. The fact that they were assumed innocent until proven otherwise, while any other group with dubious history would have been instantly rejected, is what I found the most strange here.</p>
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<p>Here here.</p>
<p>For the life of me, I can’t understand why you don’t leave Brown. You are miserable there. You clearly hate Brown, hate it so much that you get a perverse pleasure out of dissing it on a forum meant to answer legitimate questions from prospective applicants. Brown is not for everyone. Just transfer and open up a spot for someone who will be happy there.</p>
<p>I think this thread shows why other colleges have required core courses…so everybody has at least a clue about how to discuss a variety of subjects.</p>
<p>Also, how can you tell the difference between the Young Communists and the Young Democrats?</p>
<p>How about you answer my questions, or just accept that you can’t.</p>
<p>Stop being arrogant with the “if you don’t like it here you can just get out” and try to understand what my criticism is about. If you can’t, why don’t you transfer out of the thread?</p>
<p>I put a serious question: if other people’s feelings can dictate what is allowed and what not, then why can’t mine, or everybody else’s?</p>
<p>well, you could start thinking about the nature of tolerance and the difference between tolerance in conversation and in society, and think more deeply about the issues you are raising </p>
<p>e.g.: "Indiscriminate tolerance is justified in harmless debates, in conversation, in academic discussion; it is indispensable in the scientific enterprise, in private religion. But society cannot be indiscriminate where the pacification of existence, where freedom and happiness themselves are at state: here, certain things cannot be said, cannot be proposed, certain behavior cannot be permitted without making tolerance an instrument for the continuation of servitude.”</p>
<p>[A</a> CRITIQUE OF PURE TOLERANCE by Robert Paul Wolff, Barrington Moore, Jr., and Herbert Marcuse](<a href=“http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/personal/reading/wolff-tolerance.html]A”>http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/personal/reading/wolff-tolerance.html)</p>
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<p>Amen.</p>
<p>I am trying to think deeply about the issue, that’s why I’m wasting time here. Consider this my second humanities class during all of college.</p>
<p>Anyway, I don’t understand this rejection of criticism directed at Brown, or at anything. Do you honestly think it’s better to just ZOMG love everything about Brown indiscriminately? That only brings your own opinion’s worth down to zero. If you can’t discern good from bad, why should anyone trust any of the good you proclaim?</p>
<p>And by bad I don’t mean petty issues like water consumption for trays, which only keep us busy but are completely irrelevant. </p>
<p>I like and appreciate things about Brown, and dislike others. So what, should I just keep my mouth shut, so everyone thinks Brown is absolutely perfect? That’s just completely stupefying. But it does I guess remind of times not long gone in my own country: where every day the paper would say how amazing everything is, how we are the best people, etc. This type of attitude leads to an immense dumbing down of the population. To the point where any criticism is regarded as treason. But people in charge weren’t so dumb you see. So every once in a while, they threw in some more or less made up criticism to the system. So people would think, “ha, see, we aren’t living a completely blind life, there are discussions, there is criticism, there is freedom of speech”. Complete ********. Much like what is going on here. No wonder Brown was rated BOTH most happy college and douchiest. You honestly think those are unrelated? Or what, you only arbitrarily choose which ratings you accept?</p>
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<p>A “denying the holocaust club” would be like a “denying that 2+2=4 club” Also known as stupid.</p>
<p>A communist club is like a democratic or republican club. Very different.</p>
<p>Seems to me that the limits of tolerance discussions intend to distinguish between actiosn and non-actions. That is, it is one thing to tolerate words when they are not accompanied by actions and another thing when the words themselves lead to specific actions that diminish freedom.</p>
<p>The relative effectiveness of a nazi group in inciting action compared to the relative ineffectiveness of a communist group in inciting action yields different levels of tolerance. Your experience was that the latter were quite effective at creating actions, but my sense is that th erecent huisotry of this country yields the opposite sense.</p>
<p>It’s like my step-father used to say about the socialists on the City Council: since they were ineffective, he wasn’t worried about them.</p>
<p>Make some sense?</p>
<p>Kei</p>
<p>My participation in this debate has nothing to do with preserving my idealistic view of Brown. I’m going to UPenn, not Brown in case you were wondering, so I my responses have been, up to this point, objective. I’ll answer the pressing issues you bring up in your “previous 2 posts”</p>
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<p>First, your statement is a complete conjecture. You have no idea if denying the holocaust is not allowed, in fact I’m almost certain someone can walk around campus denying it. Sure,most people will look at him like he ate too many fruit loops for breakfast, but no one will aggressively stop him, just as no one aggressively stops the communist club. </p>
<p>Secondly, the holocaust is a fact. It happened. SO how does this relate to communism at all? You’re trying to relate a historic event with an economic policy. Yet again, you prove my earlier point that you have a predilection for comparing apples with oranges. Of course denying the Holocaust hurts people’s feelings, that is saying Germany did not kill millions of innocent people. Still, this has nothing to do with the Communist Club. You don’t see the Communist club denying the atrocities of USSR do you? I didn’t think so.</p>
<p>If you are so adamant for a “second lesson in humanities”, then hit me with your best shot. If you want a debate, I’ll give you one. I’ll run you into the ground.</p>
<p>Communism in theory is about egalitarianism and “power to the people”. There is nothing inherently hateful about it. The actions of some pseudo-communist dictators (communism actually frowns upon having any leader whatsoever) have no bearing on the philosophy itself.</p>