<p>California</a> Schools Get Around an Affirmative Action Ban - Businessweek</p>
<p>that is just ridiculous.</p>
<p>Color-blind policies are less efficient at selecting the best students,</p>
<p>so apparently being black make the candidate a better student… lol if this was said about a white student there would be some huge uproar.</p>
<p>This is just digitized discrimination…</p>
<p>^ homie you need to read up on racism and learn about how prevalent it remains, both in society and in academia.</p>
<p>affirmative action is still necessary as long as the oppressed communities desire it.</p>
<p>Hmm, interesting. Good find. Seems based on this and other articles, they really are desperate. Wonder what other tactics they’ll use next, like required headshots XD </p>
<p>I used to be for the idea of affirmative action, but now I don’t know if it’s such a good idea.</p>
<p>I’m non-white and would certainly benefit from affirmative action, but i think it would do more harm than good. UC’s and CSU’s don’t have high African American/Latino admit #'s because they don’t have high African American/Latino applicant #'s. Making it ‘easier’ to get in to certain schools won’t matter if they don’t apply to them to begin with. And this policy would just anger alot of people…</p>
<p>Bottom line: they should just save the PR nightmare and $$$ and increase recruiting. Metaphor: if admissions is a game, don’t rig the game, just give more player’s driving directions.</p>
<p>-my 2cents</p>
<p>hey beachgirl, I appreciate that insight. I’m white, so I can’t speak on behalf of any PoC in regards to the benefits of affirmative action and the like. if it is FOR a certain group, it should be that certain group who makes the decisions about it.</p>
<p>Affirmative Action actually applies to all races–including whites. It just depends on how many different types of people the school has. For example, if there are barely any whites in this one University, then affirmative action give whites an advantage. And etc, etc.</p>
<p>I think affirmative action is used to increase diversity. Diversity allowed people to be exposed to different things. And exposure always end stereotype and our negative views we may have.</p>
<p>justine, you are dope.</p>
<p>you’re pretty rad yourself, uckitty! trufax</p>
<p>kinda unfair basing decisions off race, i feel there are just as disadvantaged students from other countries/races who wont get any attention. UC’s aren’t private schools either.</p>
<p>it’s very fair considering the fact that so many decisions in this country are already made with racial undertones, with white privilege dominating the minorities. this kind of protocol (affirmative action) doesn’t benefit a single ethnicity, but rather it benefits all non-whites (when it is implemented effectively)</p>
<p>unless you’re one of the people being oppressed, you really can’t assert that something is or isn’t “fair.”</p>
<p>So why is haas accepting 25 people in specific that are from “historically black” colleges, how is that fair to every other race? Your not born black so you have a disadvantage? Every other race doesn’t get the same advantage, even if they don’t make money or anything. Solely going based off race there, I would say that is unfair because Haas is extremely selective and reserving 25 spots for African american students puts other races at a disadvantage regardless of grades or work put in.</p>
<p>okay, first of all: black does not equal African American.
second: given the state of racial oppression and inequality in this country, it is hardly logical to say that, given this article’s information, NOT being born black is a “disadvantage.” these programs are in place BECAUSE so many young black people are at a SERIOUS disadvantage in this country on the basis of skin color alone. affirmative action is one of few emerging attempts to equalize our opportunities (and there is still so much more to accomplish)</p>
<p>if you’re concerned about other ethnicities, there are programs in place for other non-white groups as well. the only group that doesn’t have a prevalent program for this sort of thing is the WHITE group. why? because white people are the privileged ones in society. every school has a white admission program: it’s the admission program.</p>
<p>I don’t know if you’re white or what, but perhaps you should read up a little more about this sort of thing before you assert that benefiting groups that have been oppressed SEVERELY for YEARS (and are still suffering oppression) is “unfair.”</p>
<p>eep, darksaber, I’m afraid I don’t understand the question? :/</p>
<p>in response to affirmative action “hurting asians,” however, that is not so. there are many programs in place to benefit and aid the admissions process of various asian ethnic groups! I can get the names of a few if anyone needs 'em</p>
<p>The program referred to is basically just a short summer recruiting and marketing program, not admissions into the school.</p>
<p>I’m not white, but i feel that there are other races that are being left in thee dark such as Asians. There aren’t many programs in place in terms of affirmative action for Asians, why is this? All i’m saying is Affirmative action should be for all Non White races, not just one.</p>
<p>And not to be rude or anything but what other race besides African american or African is considered “Black”</p>
<p>@ucbalumnus, that’s an important clarification, thanks!</p>
<p>@darksaber, in that particular situation, I can’t comment on the state of the asian community and things you experience as a part of it. I’m white, not asian, so I simply don’t have the authority to do so. if you don’t mind, I can offer my personal opinion: that the particular case you mentioned was a result rather of the white privileged / oppressive institutions in academia RATHER than a result of affirmative action. i.e. I don’t recommend blaming other minorities for the way the system at large has treated you and other members of your community; that is the system’s fault, not affirmative action’s</p>
<p>@uctransfer, gotcha. reference my above statement. I’d also be happy to help you find programs for asians if you feel they are lacking. and I’m sorry if they are. again, it isn’t the fault of programs for black students; it is the fault of the system at large (the primarily white system)</p>
<p>also, in regards to your question: <a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:African_American[/url]”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:African_American</a></p>
<p>Cal Poly SLO best exemplifies the nature of the problem that the UCs are trying to overcome in increasing diversity. It has the lowest percentage of Black students of any public university in California. There are a couple of reasons for this. One is that as a CSU admission decisions are made by computer with HS GPA and SAT scores the only factors that are considered. But unlike most other CSUs admission is very competitive with admitted applicants having academic statistics comparable to the middle and even upper tier UCs.</p>
<p>When admissions are purely numbers driven and the applicant pool consists of students with high HS GPAs and very strong SAT scores, few URMs are going to be admitted.</p>
<p>@lemaitre, very eloquent and well-said!</p>
<p>@justinetruant. “Homie” you need to stop calling people homie if you want anyone to take you seriously.</p>
<p>I understand SOME African-American students have a disadvantage. But so do some white students that are born poor or have drug addict parents or whatever the case may be…</p>
<p>All this talk about “diversity” improving education is all just a bunch of bull. This whole affirmative action topic came up in my business law class and my professor asked a black student a question about laws that oppressed black people… neither he or the two other black students in the class could answer him. He then asked them what they knew about black history and oppression and they had very little to say other then the obvious stuff that a 5th grader would know. The point it, just because your black doesn’t mean you know anything about black history or can improve the education others receive. If they want diversity, they should work on getting diversity in some other form like political ideology or whatever it may be. </p>
<p>You can’t eliminate racism by discriminating against whites… If you had a 4.0 and some african-american student with a 3.5 takes your spot… your positive views on affirmative action will change very quickly.</p>
<p>No one is discriminating against black people in academia (at least not the UCs) they are begging for more black students to apply. However by implementing affirmative action policies they ARE discriminating against people who don’t fall into the “disadvantaged” group.</p>
<p>What’s funny is people complain that there are “too many Asians” at UC’s now.</p>