Can I get into BS/MD

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<p>Sorry if this has already been answered. I searched under BS/MD but couldnt get any results</p>

<p>I am senior trying to get into one of the better BS/MD or BA/MD programs. Can someone who has already gotten in or someone with experience in this tell me where I stand</p>

<p>SAT: 2270
ACt:34
SAT II: Math 740, US History 740, Chemistry (this year)
GPA 3.97/4.57, lot of AP courses.
School Basketball Team captain, 3 years varisty
100+ volunteer hours/Community service, spent part of summer in Joplin
Volunteer in ER
Physician Shadowing - 200+ hundred hours
Part of an ongoing ortho research project at a hospital
12 years of Piano, at Grade level 10 for Piano
Race: Asian/Indian</p>

<p>My primary choice is Brown, Rice/Baylor and GW but what I hear is that what I have is not enough.</p>

<p>Thanks</p>

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<p>I think the SAT is too low for Brown. I would only submit ACT to them. The others are a toss up. Look at BA/MD links also for more advice. I would apply to a dozen of these combined programs since only 20% of premed bio and chem grads get into med school. </p>

<p>The quality of med schools are very close so don’t get hung up on names. If you do basketball in college that would help getting in UG but I do not know how it effects combined program acceptance.</p>

<p>Also watch your app dates many combined programs cutoff Nov 1.</p>

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<p>Thanks for the response. Yes, I am worried that SAT is lower, I was hoping to touch 2350 but couldn’t. Interestingly, in one of the Harvard admissions counselor’s article, I read that they consider 100 points plus or minus is considered not very different. </p>

<p>My goal was to go 7/8 year med program nearer home - in USC or UCLA but both have discontinued leaving only UC San Diego in California. So, I am not particular that I should go to Brown, just some college in the top rung. With my school doing very limited number of counselor recommendations, left with no choice but be selective about where I apply and that is what is predicament. Where I can get in realistically… </p>

<p>Yes, most of the BA/MD schools have a deadline of Nov 1 and I am completing my essays and will soon be done.</p>

<p>Yes, I will look up that BA/MD links. Could find the right ones when I posted this but may be I have to search better…</p>

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<p>What do you mean by this? Oh, and yes - Brown’s PLME probably isn’t realistic given your stats; it might very well be the single most competitive program for undergrads in the country. And it really doesn’t matter whether your submit your SAT or ACT score; a 2270 is equal to, or a little higher then a 34 on the ACT.</p>

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<p>Maybe this will help? </p>

<p>[BA/MD</a> School Listing - Medical and Dental School Help](<a href=“http://www.medicalhelpnet.com/content/view/28/46/]BA/MD”>http://www.medicalhelpnet.com/content/view/28/46/)</p>

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<p>Even though for harvard doesn’t really care +/- 100 as you say, these programs really care about academics the most. Med school admissions is a lot more dependent on scores and gpa than normal UG college admissions therefore, these programs reflect that. Though you’ve covered your bases with medical-related ECs, those programs are very tough. Your scores, though not bad, don’t look stellar. It’s tough to say whether you can make it to the interview stage for these tough programs.</p>

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<p>Thanks all for the responses</p>

<p>I am in Southern California and my school counselors are not willing to do more than 5 or 6, in total. Assuming I do 3 BS/MD and 3 regular UG programs, I want to apply to only those BS/MD programs where I can realistically get in. Now, after looking at these responses and other discussions here, I see no point in wasting one application for Brown, I would rather do some college less competitive. Reading a lot in CC in the BS/MD forums, I see there are a lot of people who feel that BS/MD is not the best way to go to medicine after all. </p>

<p>I am a little disappointed though about falling short. With Basketball taking up a lot of time and energy, I couldn’t do much EC and Volunteering over and above what I did. Could have done better in SAT, actually thought would get closer to 2350-2380. sigh…</p>

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<p>Have your couselor write one of his recommendations in the common app so you can use that. It is really unfair since my D has 14 apps and I have seen kids do 24 apps. The couselor could just do a generic and photostat it like in my D’s school.</p>

<p>Brown PLME is a very hard and I think it is harder than Harvard UG without a hook (alum parent, big donor parent or athelete. Accordingly, if truely limited I would apply to an easier program. The differences in medical schools are very small- much smaller than a state school to an ivy. Only is you wanted a speciality like derm where placements are so limited is the school that important. I would consider what joint program has scholarships so you don’t get your UG degree buried in debt since scholarships to Med school are rare. You do not want 50k or 80k debt in addition to 200k from Med school.</p>

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<p>I posted this on another thread on CC. The bottom line was take the combined program. My D was asked do you want to go to an ivy or be a doctor by a med school instructor.
"I was premed and had good grades but was one of the 80% that didn’t get into a medical school. However, my D is in her 2nd year of a 8 yr BA/MD program. She picked it over an ivy! </p>

<p>It is the way to go since she will not have to go for 2 dozen medical school interviews and not 200-300 hours of study for MCATs. She will also not have to shadow docters for 3 summers.</p>

<p>The most important thing is the 80 kids in the college program stick together despite half being upper classmen. There is no cut throat competion since everyone works together like a sports team. When I went to school it was every man (or woman) for himself regarding grades in labs, recommendations, extra points etc. </p>

<p>With my D she just has to maintain a 3.5 gpa. so she will have more of a college experience than beating her brains out in the ivy league. The ones graduating medical school give their apartments to the freshman entering Med school and it is like a big fraternity. The kids from this UG school do very well in Medical School against the upper most tier school kids. </p>

<p>A friend of mine is an MD who teaches at an ivy med school. She advised they are getting 15 “uber applicants” for each slot. By uber she advised people who have 4.0 gpa, nearly perfect mcats and either are concert pianists, had leukemia at age 8 or , escaped a despotic country crossing a river as a child and learning english as a second language.</p>

<p>She pounded into my D take the american med school slot since neuroscience degrees even from top schools are a dime a dozen undergrad.</p>

<p>My D will have an entire senior year to take whatever she wants since she received 30 credits from so many AP courses in high school and from summer schools at 2 different ivies. Also the med school she picked does research into neuroscience so that will help her fellowship/residency goals. </p>

<p>People do not realize that you have 500k premed majors starting in college with 80k highly qualified bio and chem grads coming out fighting for only 16k american med school slots. Also the difference between the top med schools and the lower ones is much smaller than the spread of the top colleges to a state college. You make your bones on where you do your residency and fellowship and that is based on performance in medical school ,“people” skills, interviews, research etc. </p>

<p>Finally, if you feel in your heart you want to be a doctor be focused and get through it now since you will be 30 or 31 when you hang your shingle.

Remember cutoffs are early sometimes Nov 1st and some programs eject you if you take MCATs or apply to another Med School".</p>

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<p>The people frowning on the programs are the ones not in the program.</p>

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<p>Program in Liberal Medical Education is the BS/MD program at Brown Univeristy. It is a VERY prestigous prgram. PLME is a very hard program to be accepted into. You dont apply thinking your going to get in, you apply hoping to God that you get lucky and get accepted.</p>

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<p>Contrary to what most people will tell you, I don’t think SAT scores matter too much past a certain point, and you’ve reached that point. Your SATIIs are a bit weak, though. It could be made up for by your ecs, but you want every advantage you can get with med programs that competitive. It’ll probably come down to your essays and recs. If you’re a good writer and your teachers really like you, then I think you have a pretty good chance of getting to the interview stage. After that, if you’re good at talking to people you can get in. I hope you’re also applying to some less competitive programs, though, so you can reduce your risk. Make sure to not write anything too generic. A good essay explains why you want to do medicine, but stands out. I think a slightly generic essay can reduce your risk when applying to the less competitive programs, but you have to take risks to get into the very competitive programs. Can you chance me back?</p>

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<p>Read A is for Admission by Michelle Hernandez the former Dartmouth Admissions officer. The Ivies use a formula that uses SAT scores and class placement. That is why you have to be as close as possible to 2400 on SAT’s and in the top couple of percent in your class rank unless an athlete, legacy (alum’s child) or an athlete.<br>
She also has a website with the calculator on it. That is why I would not use up my 6 applications on this Brown program.</p>

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<p>Its called academic index!</p>

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<p>Thanks so much for everyone who replied. I wanted to apply to only one “top” school and I chose Brown, not a good choice I guess. I am applying to a few less competitive schools - Case Western being one of them and but with just a few more days to go for the deadline, I will decide within a day or two.</p>

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<p>Let us know how you do!</p>

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<p>SAT ISNT TOO LOW. Your ACT is equivalent to your SAT. Whoever says otherwise is just plain stupid. I think you have great chances at brown because your resume is consistantly excellent. Please chance back: <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/what-my-chances/1233558-my-story-will-my-dream-schools-understand.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/what-my-chances/1233558-my-story-will-my-dream-schools-understand.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>19 months ago D was rejected Brown combined, accepted Brown Reg, Cornell, , full ride Rutgers Honors (deferred and rejected Yale) with 2310 SAT’s ,35 ACT, 4.7/4.0 gpa, Val out of 350 students, 7 AP’s all with 5’s, 6 or 7 EC’s each inside and outside of school, shadowing heart surgeon, 2 summers at Ivies with 4.2 gpa both ivies combined, excellent interviews per interviewers </p>

<p>D took BA/MD with half ride. To be one of the 80 combined kids you have to be close to 2400 on SAT’s so don’t call anyone stupid. Go to Michelle Hernandez’s academic index calculator and figure your score.</p>

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<p>questionsg, I am truly sorry about your mother’s illness.</p>

<p>My D wrote about me injuring my spine on 9/11 as a first responder and my brother another type of rescue worker spending 2 weeks in the pit 40 ft below the ground looking for surviors of which there were none.
For the Ivies it boils down to academic index, legacy, sports ability, donor status. It also does not help you being what the ivies call an ORM. Go to the library and read Hernadez’s book A is for admission she spells it out in the hard and cold facts, percentages, URM’s , ORM’s etc. There are 3 or 4 Val’s for every spot in the ivies and to be one of the 80 Brown combines out of the thousands of app’s is like a lottery.</p>

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<p>Waiting game is on. Already applied to Rutgers, Drexel, Brown and Univ of Miami. Got accepted at Rutgers but so far only for UG, not for combined medical yet, looks like will take some more time. Finishing up Univ of Rochester, George Washington, Rice/Baylor and Case Western in the next few days. Then UCs and USC. Thats it…</p>