Can i possibly get into this fantastic school??? Chance me now!!!!!

<p>Coolbrezze:</p>

<p>When people say a school is their "safety", they mean a school where they are most definitely admitted. Traditionally, "safety" schools are one's second or third choice.
Semantics aside, I don't believe there is any doubt that UM admissions is much harder to obtain than MSU admissions. Of course there will be people who are rejected from MSU but accepted to UM, but that does not undo the general scope of things.
I'm not saying your liking of MSU over UM is unjust. The MSU campus is large and very park-like. I think it looks nicer than UM's campus, but with a larger campus means a longer time to travel from class to class. UM is vice versa. Some may like the proximity of all the buildings, but others may dislike its city appeal. </p>

<p>My point is that favoring one college over the other is purely subjective. I think it is fine for MSU to be your first choice and UM to be your second. What isn't subjective, however, is the fact that it is harder to get into UM than MSU and that although MSU may have some advantages over UM, UM is widely considered the better of the two. It is for this reason that people cringe when you refer to UM as your 'safety'.</p>

<p>I also think that not going to UM just because kids you don't think should have gotten in got in is silly. You should really be thinking about your education rather than others. But, that's just me.</p>

<p>Right, although I if not always, usually refer to University of Michigan- Ann Arbor as my second choice. There is no where on this forum where I said University of Michigan- Ann Arbor is my safety school, but when it was brought up I did say safety, second choice all the same. Although safety is usually a definite yes I'll get accepted, and that's not the case with University of Michigan- Ann Arbor or Michigan State University. So once again someone/ many read wrong and concluded that I say University of Michigan- Ann Arbor is my safety school, which I did not. When I mention that half of my graduating class attending the school, I was refering to Michigan State University. It's more obvious that I was refering to Michigan State University, the school is even mention in the setence. I'll assume many jump to the conclusion that I was referring to University of Michigan- Ann Arbor which is not the case.
All in all, since it seems like no one was/ is really sure what school I was refering to ( when mention half graduating class etc...) if anyone would have just asked me, maybe this thread wouldn't have got out of control, nor attacks on my comments.
Very dissappointed in those who got the wrong understanding of my post, and personal attacks on my opinions.</p>

<p>As long as you understand that safety is not the same as second choice, we are good.</p>

<p>When you said:
"I know Michigan State University isn't an Ivy League, but to know that half of your graduating class is attending the same school as you, would you say that's sorta a turnoff?"
You meant to say that it is good to attend a school where half your graduating class is going? I'm afraid most people don't understand your tone in that statement. The statement could mean you want to go to MSU, or (as most people assumed) that you don't want to go to UM.</p>

<p>No at the end of the sentence I asked, would you say that is SORTA a turnoff? Due to the fact, I see it as a turn off, mainly if half of the graduating class accepted did not put in effort/ slackers. </p>

<p>Yeah, I see where safety and second choice are different... but I never referred to University of Michigan- Ann Arbor as a safety. University of Michigan- Ann Arbor is a great school.</p>

<p>"I know Michigan State University isn't an Ivy League"</p>

<p>I've never heard MSU mentioned in the same sentence as "Ivy League" To say that MSU is not even close to being Ivy League would be an enormous understatement. The two are opposites.</p>

<p>Let's stop the bashing. I'm sure he was just trying to make a point.</p>

<p>Agree with HARRRR.</p>

<p>If everyone who misunderstood what I wrote, re-read it ( and if needed, carefully) and all should be clear. I'll do no more explaining.</p>

<p>Coobreeze, if you don't mind my asking, who influenced your opinion on Michigan? You stated above that you never visited the school in person, so I am curious why you would know for sure that it is your second choice before you even visited the school. Of course, visiting Michigan now will not really change your mind since you have already conditioned yourself to believe that it is your second choice, but in the future, I recommend you approach any situation in life with an open mind. Do not let others influence you. Instead, conduct your own research and come up with your own conclusions.</p>

<p>I'am a very open mind person ( though you decided I wasn't a open mind person to decisions in life base off what you have read, now your contradicting yourself) , thought this whole sillyness of other posters misunderstanding what I wrote was drop. My opinion of Michigan is base on a number of reasons, those who went there, classmates who visited there, and my own observations. I sure your able to make observations, it's simple. Although did I not mention in my sentence this is my opinion base off not visiting University of Michigan- Ann Arbor, simply for you to know that my view could change once a visit. Don't blow the situation out of proportion.... I think many of the replies I'm getting is absolutely ridiculous, and clearly misunderstanding... but that happens.</p>

<p>wow this is getting intense.</p>

<p>I wish I could stick up for you, Coolbrezze, but half the time I can't follow what you're saying.</p>

<p>Coolbrezze: Your statement "I know Michigan State University isn't an Ivy League, but to know that half of your graduating class is attending the same school as you, would you say that's sorta a turnoff?" was incredibly misleading. In the context of what you were saying, it could be interpreted as an argument against going to u of m. It could also be an argument for going to MSU. It could also be a sincere question. It seems that people (myself included) chose to interpret it the first way.</p>

<p>Alexandre was concerned that you were rejecting UM based only upon what others have said, and he wanted you to come to your own conclusion. He defined 'open-minded' in that sense, and never contradicted himself. Now it appears that you have made an educated choice of MSU. </p>

<p>No one here will debate your choice.</p>

<p>As above stated, this has gotten intense/ridiculous, but I don't think the problem is in how you developed your opinion of U of M, it's that you (CoolBreeze) absolutely refuse to acknowledge that the original misunderstanding was based on your poor wording, rather than others' ability to understand you. I'm sure you are a perfectly intelligible speaker, but online some of the things you say are borderline incoherent strings of words/thoughts. That being said, you didn't do anything wrong, just some poor wording, and arguments over the internet are pretty lame so...</p>

<p>As you've wrote it can be interpret many ways ( I was referring to Michigan State University in that sentence)... although it gives no excuse for attacks on my personal view. Also as you wrote, you seem to understand it can be viewed three ways. Simply asking what I meant could have avoid this ridiculous misunderstanding and attacks/ tactics etc...
Alexandre, from my reading clearly called me narrow minded ( which I'm not, though someone who knows me can easily disagree with one who posted such). To me Alexandre is contradicting himself, reading a post I made and concluded I was narrow minded... sounds like you should get to know a person ( like Alexandre referring me to do research etc...) before you make such a statement. By anyway if you see him not calling me narrow minded, and more open- minded... how is that more clear to you than me referring to Michigan State University in a simple setence?
Yeah... as I thought, this is getting ridiculous and very dissapointed in all the recent posters that have replied to my personal view and comments.... not what I was expecting on a University of Michigan- Ann Arbor thread.
JR526 I thought I probably should have re-wrote the sentence better, but didn't think it would lead to such... and many would understand what I meant.</p>

<p>Coolbrezze: No one has attacked or will attack your preference of MSU over UM. Let me make that clear.</p>

<p>First point:
Maybe people could have asked you what you meant by that statement, but in the context of what you said, it was pretty clear to anyone reading that your comment was intended against U of M (though we now know this is untrue).</p>

<p>Second point:
Alexandre meant no insult to you when he advised you to be open minded. In the context of what you have said, it could have been interpreted that your decision was based only on what others have told you (see above point). Never did he call you narrow-minded (and even if he did, it would not be a contradiction, but that's another issue).</p>

<p>Third point:
There is no reason for you to be disappointed in the posters. People misunderstood your statement, and began making remarks. Is it the people's fault for misunderstanding you and not asking you for a meaning? No its not. In all honesty, your statement was very poorly worded. I can't imagine someone reading that comment and coming to the conclusion you expected. (see first point)</p>

<p>Fourth point:
I'm going to say this again. No one has attacked or will attack your preference of MSU over UM.</p>

<p>Subroutine your 1st-4th point is ridiculous, although I'm not going to take anymore chances of wasting my time ( on the thread "Can I possibly get into this fantastic school"), but clearly there is a lot of re-thinking many of the recent if not mostly all posters need to do. Instead of replying to you with such a longer message.... I've said everything I needed to say in all my post listed above, and knew what I meant.</p>

<p>Now, if anyone decide to have an ongoing conversation about my personal view, opinions, thoughts etc.... go ahead, but I'm not in anyway going to be apart of it. I clearly rather not be apart of your discussion.</p>

<p>As said before, very dissapointed in if not all, recent posters.</p>

<p>Coolbrezze, though I hate to pile on further, I have to note that every time someone has tried to clarify something (see subroutine, among others), you take a 'posters are trying to get me' stance. They're not here to bash you or your opinions. They're just here to interpret your thoughts in their own words without trying to be demeaning.</p>

<p>Don't leave this forum with a negative perception of the posters here. That's just ignorance.</p>

<p>I assumed that most of the kids in my son's graduating class would have gone to MSU because we live close by but actually he knows of only 5 kids from his graduating class actually attending MSU. We know of one attending Umich. And my son went to a very large high school.</p>

<p>Coolbreez, there is a difference between being narrow-minded or closed-minded and approaching situations with an open mind. I do not know you well enough to judge you. However, to dismiss a school without having visited it is unwise, particularly when that school is in your own backyard and happens to be the best school in your state. But like I said, you seem to have formed a pretty strong opinion of the University of Michigan, so visiting now probably won't change your mind.</p>