<p>Basically, people feel better when they know what to expect. It’s only human nature! :)</p>
<p>By the downer, I meant the uncertainty, not that the new program would be any less. I am sure once it is up and running, everyone will be delighted with the new program and give it accolades galore. But change is hard, and uncertainty is unsettling, even if the result is a better program. I merely feel for those caught in the cross over. It is all about communication and disclosure. I am sure as information becomes available, it will be disseminated in a timely manner to those it will affect. Right now I am guessing NYU hates this thread. Too many speculations, not enough facts.</p>
<p>For me it’s not necessarily the change, but that it appears as if they new before acceptance letters went out and it would have been nice to have been told. Sorry to the person who said “some people like to just complain”. We aren’t complainers, but after such a long search and much research and many $ ahead, we thought we knew what we were buying, but that has changed!</p>
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<p>racmom, if you were quoting me, this is what I actually said. And it’s true, no matter how it was handled, there would be people who are unhappy. It is unrealistic to expect the school to have disclosed its negotiations prior to finalizing them. It’s like any other business, contracts are not discussed publicly and it’s not unusual for the individuals involved in the negotiations to be prohibited from disclosing any information surrounding the process. It appears that once the process was finalized, that that was when the emails were sent.</p>
<p>I’m not denying that people might feel concerns about the changes, but, as I said before, it’s unlikely that any timeline would have satisfied every current and prospective student. If the emails had stated that the changes were effective immediately rather than two years from now, that would have been a different story.</p>
<p>alwaysamom, I agree. </p>
<p>In all fairness, I have a feeling that the reason there is such a considerable lack of details, is because the involved parties are actually still in the midst of finalizing the terms of the exit agreement, especially where it concerns current students.</p>
<p>Sorry to say, I still feel the way I do. All of you point out wonderful things. I’m sure they will put a good program together. That said, I sure would have liked to have had all the info. we needed to make an informed decision as prospective candidates. I disagree that if they did this back in Oct. it would have had the same effect. On the contrary, we would have known ahead of time and could have decided what we wanted - and may have still wanted to go to NYU. Lastly, I didn’t mean to “misquote”. I just took the gist of what you said instead of quoting word for word. Sorry, I was in a hurry.</p>
<p>racmom, I am not sitting where you are and so I understand that I’m not coming at it in the same way and this is understandable! </p>
<p>For one thing, I don’t know if they could have released this information any sooner as they had to wait until it happened. Even so, it is not as if it takes immediate effect and so in many ways, they are giving “advanced notice” before it takes effect (two years for the incoming freshmen like your D). No time is ever a “good” time and someone is affected. </p>
<p>However, here is how I see some of it…Some kids, which I believe may even include your daughter, got placed in a studio that wasn’t even necessarily their first choice (I think your D was trying for CAP21 but got placed in Strasberg, though is very happy with the placement as she enrolled). So, already attending Tisch was not entirely dependent on the studio placement as she was willing to attend Tisch even in her second choice studio, I presume. Likewise, even many ED candidates who say they will accept any studio are often placed in a studio that is not their first choice (ie., a couple years ago, I had a student with a MT background who auditioned for CAP in the ED round but got into Stella Adler and loves it and is doing so well at Tisch in casting and generally speaking). So, already, there are students who have enrolled at Tisch, like your D, in what was not originally their first choice studio (and most end up quite happy once there). So, right now, I don’t know if attending Tisch was ONLY about getting to go to Strasberg, was it? Your daughter will get to attend Strasberg for two years of primary studio as planned. After that, there is a good chance she may have tried to switch studios for advanced studio…maybe CAP or another studio with MT like Playwrights. So, she will be doing that…switching studios, and perhaps into the new studio that takes the place of Strasberg that will include MT training. In many ways, I am not too sure her four years at Tisch are going to turn out much differently in the end had Tisch not been making any changes. She was willing to take Strasberg when she was originally trying for CAP and now she will get Strasberg for two years and may just as likely enjoy the new studio for advanced studio or perhaps another studio. My kid even got her first choice studio (CAP) and even though she planned to stay in it, still did another studio for three semesters because things evolve once you are in college. They may have for your D anyway and there is a very good chance she would not have done Strasberg all four years of her time at Tisch. Just saying that these changes at Tisch, which don’t take effect for your D for two years, may not truly alter her overall experience at Tisch that she would have had. Conceivably, there may even be more MT opportunities for her in the new studio. Those are my thoughts from where I am sitting and also having observed the Tisch experience through my kid these past four years.</p>
<p>I haven’t commented until now as I don’t have a dog in this hunt, so to speak, but I have to just say I agree with and feel for racmom. My son decided not to apply to NYU for several reasons, but if he had, he likely would have applied CAP21 only, and we would TOTALLY have felt as if the rug had pulled out from underneath us had he been accepted and decided to attend, and then had these changes announced afterward. (As a matter of fact, this is exactly how several of my son’s friends who DID make the very same decision DO feel.)</p>
<p>Yes, it is likely NYU will replace CAP21 with a very strong program, but it’s not what you bought when you signed on the dotted line, and that strikes me as a bit of bait and switch, especially since the school knew at the time that the change was being made. Just my $.02.</p>
<p>In legal jargon, it is the failure to disclose a material fact. I’m with racmom.</p>
<p>racmom, I really do understand your concerns. I think all of us do. I think the point is that it wasn’t possible for them to have disclosed this back in October, and that’s unfortunate. I may not be remembering correctly but is your D one of the ones who had CAP21 as their first choice but who was assigned to Strasberg? It’s difficult to keep everyone straight. 
If she had known prior to May 1, where do you think she would have chosen to go? What other schools did she have to choose from?</p>
<p>D. had a few choices, not all for mt. Marymount bs/minor mt, Miami (acting)/ waitlist mt, uarts (directing/mt minor). As I’ve said too many times already, and I don’t want to sound like a broken record, another choice may have been made. That really isn’t even the point though. I do feel like it was bait and switch and that just doesn’t feel right to me, not honest! But enough on this subject. We look forward to next year and to see what is ahead for d.</p>
<p>I understand that you are not happy with the notification timing. </p>
<p>But if you look at what your D will get…
She had no BFA in MT options. She had two MT minor options, one coupled with a directing major and one at Marymount that was a BA degree and not a BFA. At Tisch, she got into an acting studio (Strasberg) that had some singing and some dancing but not a MT program per se. She now will attend Tisch and do Strasberg for two years as planned and then either continue in the new studio which is MT and Acting or any of the other acting studios (some include some singing/dancing and one has a MT practicum…Playwrights Horizons). So, she is still going to have four years of at least an acting studio at Tisch. Not sure it matters which studio so much? Strasberg was not even the studio that was her first choice studio originally. At the other schools, she was going to have to study acting or directing in either a BFA or a BA and at most, a MT Minor. She now will have a BFA in Drama with some singing/dancing at Strasberg, be able to be in musicals at Tisch, and possibly do a MT studio for advanced studio (either the new MT studio or Playwrights MT practicum). She may even get MORE MT at Tisch than at her other options. At the very least, she is going to have a BFA Drama degree and spend two of those years in the Strasberg studio. I would have imagined that your D, even if Tisch had NO new changes, would have tried for CAP or Playwrights Horizons for advanced studio to get the MT training she was hoping to pursue and she can still do that with the new MT studio for her advanced studio or Playwrights. I am not sure her experience at Tisch is going to be changed from what it would have been had Tisch not made any changes at all. If anything, it may even be better for her.</p>
<p>As far as production work, I believe your D was deciding between Marymount and Tisch and there are more musicals put on at Tisch than at Marymount and your D will be eligible for many of these even if not in the MT studio.</p>
<p>Soooo many Tischies do not do just ONE studio all four years and so your D’s time at Tisch is going to be quite typical (and she very likely would have done more than one studio had Strasberg even been an option for all four years). The options are many at Tisch and all that awaits her and it is pretty exciting.</p>
<p>soozie - I have a feeling that it is not so much the programs that TSOA offers as the surprise that people were not necessarily given somewhat of a heads up that “some changes were in the works” or something like that. I don’t know how realistic that actually is, but I do “get” that the whole “out of the blue factor” makes one feel uneasy, and perhaps a bit bitter, especially when you have an incoming freshman.</p>
<p>To help put things in perspective, some years ago the MT faculty at UCLA left “en masse” for UCI, leaving the students, who were in MT at the time, pretty much hanging. Getting another quality faculty in place proved to be quite the challenge, and those poor students got caught in the middle of an ugly transition. </p>
<p>The good news in our case is that Tisch has some great resources, and plenty to pull from; no one will be left hanging for sure. I agree that the “lack of details” people are being provided with is a bit maddening, and the “trust us, we are Tisch, it is going to be great” is getting old quickly. We have been told that we are getting more details in the next day or so. Until then I rest my case :).</p>
<p>I agree how uneasy people feel when no details have been provided. I hope they come out soon!! </p>
<p>Luckily, the change is NOT immediate and so in many ways, there is some notice and nobody is changing what they are doing at least this coming year or two it seems. </p>
<p>Hopefully, the details will all be positive ones. It is hard to hang in there, I realize!!!</p>
<p>I apologize if this is repeat information. I have not read the entire thread. My son will be a freshman in the Strasberg studio in the fall. The Strasberg studio will also no longer be an option for Tisch students. This incoming freshman class will be the last, and will have the opportunity to complete only their first two years at Strasberg. We received almost the same letter. I DID speak with Patricia Decker but all she could provide me with was general information. She said very little is finalized and she would not want to give me inaccurate information.</p>
<p>mrsmia, there is also a thread on this Tisch forum about the news re: Strasberg. </p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/nyu-tisch-mt/724064-tisch-strasberg.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/nyu-tisch-mt/724064-tisch-strasberg.html</a></p>
<p>Incoming freshmen at Strasberg and at CAP are supposedly going to still do their first two years (primary studio) in the studios to which they were accepted and thus the changes are not immediate. Hopefully the details of what would come next for these students as well as the situation for the next round of applicants will be forthcoming soon.</p>
<p>Just wanted to update everyone on this thread that Tisch has begun to send out additional information. </p>
<p>There is simply too much to post here, but all those who have been in touch with Tisch and have communicated their concern, have received or will be receiving information that will in fact answer a lot of questions :D. </p>
<p>To those of you looking for details, I would suggest that you direct your concerns to Chair Liz Bradley. Her office will get back to you promptly.</p>
<p>MTgrlsmom - Does this new info apply to Stasberg students or only CAP21?</p>
<p>mrmia13 - the information about the new Studio I suspect would apply to Strasberg students too, but I am not sure about the “phasing out” side of things of the relationship between Strasberg & Tisch though. </p>
<p>I would recommend contacting Chair Bradley directly, and preferably by email, so that she can get back to you via email as well.</p>
<p>Everyone who wants information about the change in relationship between TSOA and Strasberg and CAP should email Liz Bradley at <a href=“mailto:liz.bradley@nyu.edu”>liz.bradley@nyu.edu</a> and request information. As MTGrlsmom said above, a number of us who have taken the time and effort to email Chair Bradley have received information explaining how things are going to be done.</p>