Cell phone abuse

<p>NJ res,</p>

<p>Give the phone a day to dry out. Mine went through the wash cycle twice last week. First machine of clothes, just threw in all of my jeans, pulled then out ddn't think about looking at the bottom. Put in another load of clothes (socks and stuff). Sice I had to dig down into the machine, that is when I saw my phone.</p>

<p>If the phone still does not work after drying out the insurance that you have on your phone will cover it. I think you pay approx. $35 and they send you a like for like phone.</p>

<p>Mommy, you say she's been overseas on your money since last August, can't waste her time to stay in touch and does not treat you with respect or behave as if she is grateful for what you are doing for her. </p>

<p>Your response is to give her another summer abroad.</p>

<p>What can I say?</p>

<p>Mommy_Dearest - it seems that there are 2 separate problems. One is the cell phone bill -- and that is where your daughter seems to me to be very immature and inconsiderate. Why would she make hour long calls to her bf, knowing what it costs? My daughter, at age 16, was overseas for 4 months and had a cell phone with her -- but we talked about costs from the outset - she was to use the phone for a voice call only in emergencies. Everything else was done via text messaging, and I purchased the cell phone plan with the maximum amount of pre-paid messages. Even so, during her last month she ran up a bill with 3,000+ text messages, more than $90 in calls - but a lot of the problem was with incoming messages after a local friend set up AIM to forward to her cell phone. I split the bill with her - I paid half, she paid the other half. </p>

<p>What I find troubling is the way your daughter argues and manipulates when you raise the money issue. To be truthful, my d. is always going over budget at home - if it isn't the cell phone, she's spending money at the mall. I give her a monthly allowance, hoping that having to budget for a month will help her learn better habits -- but she still goes out shopping the first weekend every month when she has her allowance in hand. She's always buying DVDs and CD's ... obviously things she could do without. </p>

<p>But the difference is that my d. is very, very apologetic - and she does try to change. She also tries to get others to pitch in -- for example, at home she has a car and ends up driving many of her friends around, so she asks them to contribute for gas. We just had a money issue again (credit card bill way higher than expected), but then 2 days ago my d. handed me $100 to help pay things back. I get frustrated, but we can also joke about it -- my d. just isn't good with budgeting and controlling money, but at least she acknowledges that is a problem and makes some effort. </p>

<p>Maybe my daughter is also being manipulative and walking all over me, but at least it feels better when there are lots of hugs and thank you's and apologies. Sometimes she is a little bit of defensive in offering explanation - but she is never hostile or angry. She knows that she is lucky to have me and my money. She never tells me what "other" kids' parents do or what they think of me, except to say all the time that all the other kids think I am "way cool" and that they really like me. At least for my daughter, flattery works, so she goes that route. </p>

<p>I'm sorry that your daughter is not the same way. I would be very tempted to pull the plug completely in that situation.</p>

<p>The other problem - though - is also why your daughter is able to manipulate you. You have a specific expectation as to how often she will call - and of course she has control over whether or not she calls you. When my d. went overseas, I called her, using a prepaid phone card - and I asked her in a text message after she arrived how often I should call. She replied that at the foreign exchange orientation, they advised about once every three weeks. So I said o.k., and held off - but we had a system where she would text me if she wanted me to call, and then I would call. The calls ended up being much more frequent -- because she would start missing me and want to hear from me.</p>

<p>When my son went off to college I never heard from him unless something was wrong or upsetting him -- and I never could reach him -- so of course I was left constantly fretting over the last call. But I got used to it - now it is often 2 weeks that I don't hear from him or talk to him. He's just not a talker and he's very busy with his own life -- but when he does call, he always has lots of news and really wants to talk. So it is hard to get used to -- but I think when you give your kids the space they want, things work out better in the end.</p>

<p>The only problem with your daughter is that she wants her space on your dime. My son who never calls pays his own way, so I might miss him, but I don't resent him. I don't have an answer for you -- you obviously are feeling conflicted because you want her to enjoy her time overseas and at the same time she is clearly taking advantage of your generosity. I don't think the problems you are having can be resolved while she is overseas -- although there may be ways you can put limits on her spending. Cutting off the cell phone was a good start. </p>

<p>But in the end there are issues between you that will need to be resolved when she is home. I would suggest that before she goes to college that you come to a clear understanding on finances and arrange things in a way that will not allow her to continue taking advantage of you. For example, it may be better for you to give her a cash allowance and require that she pay all her own bills (cell phone, credit card) from that allowance, rather than letting her to continue to run up bills that you have to pay.</p>

<p>ctymomteacher:
I agree with you ... I'm a doormat.</p>

<p>I can't go into all of the background. Just suffice it to say that she is truly benefitting from the year abroad. I mentioned elsewhere in this post that she is seeing a psychologist abroad. There is a reason for that.</p>

<p>I don't want to take away something that is truly beneficial to her. Her psychologist abroad is very good, he seems to be addressing her issues, which is more than I can say for the psychologists that treated her here in the US. The staff at her school abroad, and my friends from abroad have noticed positive changes in her.</p>

<p>The problem is really far more complex than I can describe in a post. I said right up front, I didn't expect an answer (though I did contact her psychologist via email and told him that I want to work with him to establish a lump sum budget that is fair and reasonable to both our family and her). I just posted because I'm so sad.</p>

<p>If you had a kid that had a problem, you'd also feel sad. Sometimes the kids problems hurt you. Sometimes parents have to go to extreme, sad measures. Suppose you have a kid whose illness manifests itself in violence. You'd have to make a very sad choice to either live with the violence, or put the kid in a home. I'm not saying that my daughters issues are as extreme as that. I am saying that my daughter is greatly benefitting from her stay abroad. No matter how much I am hurt by her behavior, I have to weigh the fact that she is greatly benefitting by being abroad, and I want to help her, not hurt her (contrary to what she thinks).</p>

<p>Again, I'm not looking for an answer, because most problems don't have easy solutions. I posted because I'm just so sad.</p>

<p>calmom:
You daughter sounds like an angel. Responsible and mature.</p>

<p>The danger of an internet board is that we try to come up with solutions and give opinions when we really don't know all the issues. </p>

<p>I hope you and your daughter find the answers you need. It is always sad when it is not turning out the way we expected or hoped. Find someone to give you a hug.</p>

<p>being poor and trying to send 2 kids to good schools, I could not afford a huge cell phone bill either. my son has a phone, and not once has he gone over his minutes. if he did, he pays, end of story. there are jobs etc he can get through school. make her pay the bill, then she will realize that she will have to limit her conversations. if she gets another phone, put it in her name.</p>

<p><a href="Post%20#17">quote="Mommy_Dearest"</a>Justice: Its too bad, you need to stick to a budget
Mercy: OK, its your birthday, we'll be lenient this one time.

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You'd think that if you are always being kind and understanding, your kids would appreciate you more -- but it doesn't work that way, unfortunately. They will appreciate you more if your rules are firm and consistant -- and if "mercy" is reserved for truly unanticipated, emergency circumstances. </p>

<p>This is also true with just about everyone else you deal with in life. I keep trying to tell this to friends I know in business who liberally extend credit and then complain when they don't get paid. </p>

<p>There is a psychological explanation for this, but I don't know what it is. I'm not advocating being harsh or unfeeling. I am a very leniant parent and I never have punished my kids ... but I have my limits, and "no" means "no". "Maybe" means "yes, but I expect you to do something significant for me first."</p>

<p>Mommy_Dearest--</p>

<p>You sound hurt and angry, and I can certainly sympathize; in fact, the first time I posted on CC (after lurking for a year) was to start a thread named "They never call, they never write..." I know how painful it is to lose the day-to-day contact with the children we love so much, and how hard it is to realize that we are not very high on their list of priorities at the moment.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, though, I believe the principal at your daughter's school may have raised unrealistic expectations when he told the graduating seniors that they should call their parents every day to say that they love them. While every parent in the room may have agreed, I can't imagine that many of the students actually followed through. Indeed, it is usually a sign of unhappiness for a child of this age to be calling home every day. This is a busy, heady time for them, and as much of a wrench as it may be for us, pulling away from their parents is a normal rite of passage.</p>

<p>I suspect the money and the calling issues are fairly distinct, and that your feelings would be much the same if your daughter hadn't run up a huge phone bill but had still neglected to call you. Obviously, it makes sense for you to set clear limits on your daughter's spending and to stick to those limits. But I'm not sure that will address what's really bothering you, which seems to be her relative lack of interest in staying in close contact with you at this time, and lack of remorse for the pain she is putting you through. The dilemma is that the more we try to keep our kids close at this stage (and the spreadsheet analysis may have come across to your daughter as a slightly alarming attempt to chart and control her relationships), the more distance they are likely to seek.</p>

<p>Many parents helped me when I started my thread back in September (<a href="http://www.collegeconfidential.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?70/90752%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.collegeconfidential.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?70/90752&lt;/a>. Here are some excerpts from posts I found particularly useful:


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<p>Mommy_Dearest - I don't think my daughter is an angel. I think she is just more sophisticated than yours in the way she manipulates me, and she does have a very affectionate and friendly personality -- she is very sweet to everyone. My d. still spends too much, and I can only get paid back amounts that are proportionate to what she has - I can't force her to "earn" more money when at the same time I am worried that she is already overextended with school work. Plus, with her sweet personality, her friends take advantage of her and SHE's the doormat. </p>

<p>I'm just saying that it feels a lot better when your kid says "I'm sooo sorry. Please forgive me, I'll try to do better" than when the kid argues or cops an attitude. So I sympathize with the hurt you are feeling. </p>

<p>It works that way in the real life, justice vs. mercy realm too. From my law practice, I know that people convicted of minor offenses who told the judge and probation officer how very sorry they were ended up with lighter sentences than people who were defiant. </p>

<p>I'm just sorry that things are so tense between you and your daughter.</p>

<p>Mommy_Dearest, Nobody on this board except you knows the full story between you and your daughter, but some of the information you supplied reminds me of the relationship between my friend and her mom (I'm still a high school student). Ever since she and her boyfriend got together, she has been txt-messaging and calling him nonstop--often in the middle of class. As a result, her family's monthly phone bill has skyrocketed. After the first time, her mother threatened her and took away any extras that she had on her phone. During that time, my friend was extremely conscious of how she used her phone because she wanted to get that service back. Well, her mother gave in after a while and gave it back to her--she's already racked up another $200+ on their monthly bill. </p>

<p>You seem to accept the fact that you're a "doormat," as you call it, but you're not making her any better of a person by doing so. Since my friend's parents divorced, her mother has given her anything she's asked for. You would think that would make her more appreciative and grateful, but it's done exactly the opposite. She goes around calling her mother a b*tch when she doesn't get her way, and lies to her constantly. She sees nothing wrong with her cell phone usage. She even blames the extra bill on her mom for not getting the unlimited plan. My point, though, is that sometimes you need to stand your ground. Her mother always gave in, so she never learned a thing. It's true that sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind. </p>

<p>At least witnessing her behavior has made me realize that I would never do that to my own parents. I'm working toward my own cell phone now, and I plan to pay for a part (if not all) of the bill. Maybe you should ask your daughter to do the same if she wants to continue her cell phone service. </p>

<p>Also, I know you wanted your daughter to call you at least three times a week. As a teenager, I can tell you that this won't happen. When I'm gone on a trip, my parents are lucky to receive a call a week. That does not mean that I love them any less, just like I'm sure that not calling you doesn't mean that your daughter loves you any less. Let her have her freedom, but make sure she understands that you care and want to hear from her once in awhile. She'll come back to you on her own, trust me. It's happened to me and it's happened to my friends. It's fun hanging out with friends and doing the 'independent' thing, but at some point, we realize that we still need our parents. </p>

<p>I know you didn't want an answer, but I hope this helps.</p>

<p>as a student who has seen my friends pull the same kind of manipulative bull that your daughter is, i suggest you get rid of the cell phone and cut her off. i have a friend who is studying abroad (and has also been all over the world before then at her mom's expense) and routinely asks her mom to wire hundreds of dollars for whatever she wants (skydiving, swimming with dolphins, hotel stays, etc.) and she is really spoiled. it's wrong. i would never ever even ask my mom for that much money-- it's enough that she's paying for my college and my apartment. i work (which your daughter should do too, even if she is abroad, can she get a job working at the school or anything like that?) and i never ask my mom for any additional money. i'm positive your daughter wrote you that nasty email for the pure reason of making you feel guilty for cutting off her phone service, which was the right decision and you should by no means regret it. however, if you do make her come home, it might be a lot harder to get her to forget the grudge. also, she needs money to spend on her birthday? for what??? to be honest, what most spoiled college kids spend money on is drugs and alcohol. i don't want to imply anything about your daughter, obviously i don't know her, but this is what kids i know would be doing. she is trying to manipulate you into feeling guilty by withholding phone calls and sending you mean emails, crying over money for her birthday, etc. she's gotten used to being spoiled and now she feels she has to punish you if you don't continue giving her what she wants. cut her off before it's too late. she needs to learn some independence.</p>

<p>"She even blames the extra bill on her mom for not getting the unlimited plan."</p>

<p>My daughter did that. She blamed me for signing her up to for an "expensive" plan. I told her before she left that a cell phone is very expensive, even for citizens of a country, and that it is for limited, brief phone calls only. </p>

<p>She's not a spoiled rich kid (at least she is certainly not rich). She's not doing drugs.</p>

<p>Kids are resourceful. If you cut her phone off, she'll work out a deal with a friend and use theirs...which she'll have to reimburse them for. Hey, maybe that is what is happening with YOUR bill....someone else is using her phone (and you are paying for their calls). I would let her use her resources to figure out how to connect with the boyfriend, etc.</p>

<p>If you continue to try to force her to call you, she'll just resist more. Although you want to talk to her several times a week, I don't think it's reasonable to try to make her call you if she doesn't want to. What's the point in forcing someone to talk to you when they don't want to? </p>

<p>She'll figure out how to happily survive on less once you force her to do so. </p>

<p>I bet you're footing the bill for several kids whose parents have already cut them off. </p>

<p>Stop waiting for her to call. Use your newly found spending money and go on vacation. Your D will be fine.</p>

<p>momsdream:
Good advice. I need a vacation after this.</p>

<p>I'm not footing the bill for other kids. Part of my analyis was to whom the calls were made. 90% where made to her boyfriend. The other calls were numbers that I recognized.</p>

<p>Re: the boyfriend. I wonder how often he calls her? Sounds like she is calling him so much that he might not need to call her much. From August-February, she was within her cell contract, then in March and April, there was a big increase, 90% of which was represented by calls and texts to the BF? Why this increase? Is he starting to pull away? Did he lose his own phone... or did his parents threaten to cut him off if he didn't reduce his monthly usage? Did their relationship intensify? Daughter seems capable of extending considerable emotional energy in her relationship with her boyfriend, which is actually a very, very good long-term sign for the mother-daughter relationship.</p>

<p>I think she calls the boyfriend more than he calls her. He did mention that his phone bill was also obscene, but it was half the size of mine (which is still obscene).</p>

<p>I don't know what his parents are thinking. However, I'm pretty sure that they are probably blessing me. Since she doesn't have a cell phone, he can't call her, so his bill has to be on a downward trend.</p>

<p>MD, I don't know how much your bill was. But, last summer we went to the Caribbean on vacation for two weeks and my S spent considerable time on the phone with his GF. Before we left, I had HIS line switched to a plan to cover most of the cost of the calls, barring some roaming fees. I left my number "as is". When we were away, I told him that he was free to talk because I took care of the plan. He thought I switched both phones, and resorted to using mine whenever his battery was dead (without me knowing). I returned to a phone bill that was over $2,500.00. Suddenly, all of the bargain hunting that went into that two week vacation was out the window! Luckily, our cell phone company credited 1/3 of the cost as a one-time customer satisfaction credit......but still! </p>

<p>I hope your bill isn't as much and this makes you feel better!</p>

<p>Well, its not as much as that. I can't say that I feel better, but I certainly feel sorry for you.</p>

<p>If Dd overseas who abuses her cell phone wants a cell phone - just tell her to get one - in HER name - over there - you will not see the bill and she will be responsible for it - time will tell how she manages it - and if she blows it - it is her fault alone - put the responsibility in her lap - and hers alone.</p>

<p>Entitlement is not a word in our household - earn power is tho. Let her earn her own - cuz you can't be a doormat unless you allow yourself to be treated like one. There are reprocussions to her actions - she has yet to get a grip on that aspect of heading to adulthood and being responsible.</p>