<p>Does anyone know where do find the averages for the CFA events. I found a chart of max numbers for each event but i cant find the averages. My scores are:
BBall throw: 70 ft.<br>
Pull up: 16 reps
S. Run: 8.5
Sit Ups: 75
Push ups: 66
Mile: 5: 50</p>
<p>Just wanted to know how these ranked among others. Thanks for the help</p>
<p>You definitely passed, and scored on the high end</p>
<p>The averages are in one of the many pamphlets West Point sends out... you definitely exceeded the standard.</p>
<p>What is the best way to improve on Basket Ball throw. For most of the other events simply doing repetitions daily would help but i dont think that is the case with BBall throw. Anyone who has any ideas for BBall throw or the other events I would greatly appreciate your advice.</p>
<p>Practice the b-ball throw a lot. I've tried it and just getting your balance right to throw it one-handed can be tricky. It's largely your shoulders that are doing the work so do push-ups. I don't know, I'm kinda worried to, seeing as I'm not in terrific shape.</p>
<p>its strong anyways, why do you need to up it even higher?</p>
<p>Keep in mind that the speed your arm is moving when you release the ball is important, i.e. when a baseball pitcher throws a 100mph fastball, his arm was moving at least that fast when he threw the ball.</p>
<p>Barce11 - </p>
<p>The averages are NOT in any pamphlet that's been sent. With the new CFA, averages are not available, only max. Originally this was communicated as "it's new, so we don't have averages." Most recently, it's been "we want candidates to do their best, not aim for the average." We've also not seen minimum standards for acceptance.</p>
<p>Your MALO might be able to give you some guidance.</p>
<p>I have searched previous threads but have not gotten a conclusive answer. Is the CFA strictly pass fail or does your score factor into your WCS?</p>
<p>I just recently attended a local USMA Admissions Briefing and contrary to what has been previously stated on this thread the new averages for the CFA have been published in a Admissions pamphlet. They are:</p>
<p>Male
-BB Throw: 67 ft
-Pull-Ups: 9
-Shuttle Run: 9.1
-Crunches: 72
-Push-ups: 54
-1 Mile Run: 6:43</p>
<p>Female
-BB Throw: 41 ft
-Pull-Ups: 3
-Flexed-Arm Hang: 19.8
-Shuttle Run: 10 sec
-Crunches: 68
-Push-ups: 33
-1 Mile Run: 8:06</p>
<p>I'm assuming everyone already knows the max's based on the USMA website. I was actually kinda surprised to see the averages as in the past I couldn't even find averages for the old PAE. Also during the breifing I learned that the CFA is a pass or fail event and that a max in one event and a poor score in another would average out to a decent score so don't worry if you fail one event. But as has already been said you should shoot for these averages or higher. Personally I have set these averages as a minimum as these are passing scores. Currently I have atleast met the averages if not passed them on all the events.</p>
<p>barce11-</p>
<p>My apologies for giving you bad info. Thought we had every admissions pamphlet - apparently not. Thanks to tn48th for posting the new averages.</p>
<p>I think this is quite unfair, that there are different standards for men and women on the CFA. I have no problem with women in the military or anything like that, but i just think there should be the same standards. There are no academic differences or leadership differences, so why should there be any for physical?</p>
<p>well, for example, many girls cannot even get one pull-up. Not because they are "lazy" or "not up to standards," but mother nature did not make girls with as much natural upper body strength as men. </p>
<p>Notice that in an event like sit-ups where there is no disadvantage, girls are expected to reach the same standard as men, or you could look at it as men having to reach the same standard as the women. ;)</p>
<p>Good point Hornetguy. Another example is the flex arm hang. Our daughter told us of girls at Beast this past summer that outlasted all the boys in their squads in that event. In fact, there were girls at Beast that outperformed many of the males on the apft even using the male scoring standards. Not many, but there were some. In the end, it ain't what you got, but what you do with it!</p>
<p>hey wy dont we tlak about women in combat (I am actually trying to push that goofy apft thread down and out)</p>
<p>If you want to talk about the APFT...</p>
<p>As far as the Army goes, there should be one standard. Period. The weight of a combat load is no different if you're a 50 year old CSM or a 18 year old Private. There should also be no difference between the PT test for males and females. There should be a minimum standard and thats it. Males shouldn't get promoted over females and vice versa because of the heaping hump of garbage that is the APFT.</p>
<p>Now if the Army wants to use the APFT or some version of it to assess someone's fitness in order to tailor their PT program, that's fine. The exercises on the test don't test combat skills.</p>
<p>This little rant probably doesn't apply so much for the service academies which want to assess athletic ability.</p>
<p>Don't worry too much about these scores. I am being honest from experience. First off, your scores are excellent, but I believe they removed the minimums for two reasons:
1. Keep people from cheating.
2. Let people in who don't quite qualify.</p>
<p>My final scores were 72 pushups, 65 situps, 6 pulls, 102 ft basketbal throw, 7:13 run, and something for the shuttle. Before, I took it at the USNA and the scores were supposedly qualifying but considered weak: 35 pushups, 52 situps, 0 pullups, short basketball throw, 8-9 minute mile, and something for the shuttle.</p>
<p>Now maybe the USNA standards arent as high as the USMA for whatever reason...but those scores I got last July were absolutely awful. I am not sure why they found me qualified. At that time I was in extremely poor shape, but already improving because I had decided I was going to a service academy. Hard work and dedication does it. I keep telling people that I am not even there yet, and I have already changed so much! Last time I checked I am a 6:30 mile (amazing for me)!</p>
<p>Just do your best and keep improving, send them new scores.
GO ARMY!</p>
<p>**yomtvraps: I agree. I brought that up in a classroom debate the other day and got called a "sexist" and "bigot." Be careful what you say. I believe that anyone can reach the standards if they are reasonable.</p>
<p>**Also note I am not saying my scores are good...they are just much better than previous. I LOVE PUSHUPS. Get that in your head, you need to love them.</p>
<p>"hey why dont we talk about women in combat" </p>
<p>Not much to discuss--they are already there.</p>
<p>You have to be careful how you articulate your views on the subject. When I talk about the APFT, its not a pro-male/pro-female viewpoint I have... my point is that it is a negative thing for all. The APFT is worth 50 promotion points for enlisted folks, which is kind of alot. My last pt test I did something like 80 pushups 90 situps 12:20 2 mile run. A friend of mine can't max out the situps or the run, but can ruckmarch alot better than me, and low crawl/high crawls faster than anyone I've ever seen. There are pros and cons to both our physical abilities. However, overall we can both pull our load pretty equally. Assuming we had the same amount of promotion points in other areas, I would be promoted over him because the Army deems me more physically fit, which I don't necessarily agree with. It's strange enough with all the different standards for different age groups... If you're in a field with both men and women, it gets even more confusing. There should be a test that evaluates whether a soldier, be they male or female, can perform physically in combat. One standard, period. The competition should be elsewhere.</p>
<p>What class did you bring this up in, and with who? I'm not sure if you're discussing the same concept.</p>
<p>I understand what you are saying. I was speaking of solely physical minimums for the pft at the academies. Why should a woman have lower standards? This was in AP Psychology while discussing the differences in how men and woman are treated in society.</p>
<p>I like your point. If its okay for women to have lower standards, and they will still be perfectly fit for duty, the test is obviously a poor measure of fitness for duty which is generally its purpose. The fat percentage test will get those who are looking like sloth bags so your do not need the fitness tests in that regard. If its a good test, then the woman aren't meeting the 'good' requirements unless their duty is considered less rigorous, which I understand is NOT the case. (Many people in the class argued women only do clerical work in the military! Didn't we stop that trend back in WWII??) </p>
<p>I do see positives to the test. It does cause you to strive to be in good physical condition. It serves as a somewhat reasonable measure of your fitness. (The again a short stocky guy is much more fit for pushups than the run [ME!!] no matter how much he trains. A lot of scrawny guys can test very easy to despite nearly no muscle! [With the exception of pushups, most people I know have trouble with those...what do you mean you cannot do 35 pushups, c'mon) Further I know I very sore the next day after taking one of those tests. When you take them you really rev up to you greatest potential if you can at all help it. So I guess you fit some fitness into your day every semester...</p>