Chance me chance you?

Pre-Med & Medical School Multiple Degree Programs
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<p>Hi guys. I'd be happy to chance anyone (to the best of my ability) if they chance me for some of the following programs: Case Western PPSP, Northwestern HPME, George Washington's 7 year, Rensselaer's Physician-Scientist, USC's 8 year, University of Rochester, Drew University, and the Siena/Union/AMC program? I know that's kind of a lot, but thanks so much!</p>

<p>SCHOOL
Public high school on the central coast of California. I'm an incoming senior.
Class Standing:
W. GPA: 4.477, UW: 4.0
Rank: 5 of 346, top 1%</p>

<p>TEST SCORES
SAT:
Critical Reading: 800, Math: 660*, Writing: 800
*I did not bubble in the free-response questions in the math section and thus did not receive credit for those questions, but the CollegeBoard confirmed that the answers I had written in the grid-in area were correct. I will retake the SAT in October. </p>

<p>ACT: Composite: 35. English: 36, Math: 36, Science: 35, Reading: 34, Writing: 10</p>

<p>SAT IIs:
Biology M: 800
Chemistry: 800
Math II: 800</p>

<p>APs: English Language: 5, Chemistry: 5, Calculus AB: 5
Planning to take English Lit., Spanish, and Calc BC</p>

<p>EXTRACURRICULARS
Community Service:
Technical operator at community theatre (90 hrs)
Volunteering at local hospital (125+)
Youth Committed to AIDS-Related Education (50+)
Elementary schools, mentoring, guest speaking, etc (25)</p>

<p>School Involvement:
Founder of HOPE Club (overseas disaster relief club), elected president three years (300 hrs)
Founding officer of National Honor Society chapter, elected president 12th grade (75+)
Founding officer, treasurer of Poetry Club (50)
Girls Tennis, 2 years JV (1 yr captain), 1 year varsity. Team undefeated in league.
Drama Club and Shakespeare Club, technical operator (150 hrs)
Yearbook staff</p>

<p>Medical ECs:
National Youth Leadership Forum in Medicine at UCLA
Shadowing a neurologist/psychologist (25-50 hrs)
Biomedical research (50-75 hrs)</p>

<p>AWARDS
Publications in local newspaper, magazine
1st place in county writing contest for the past 3 years
3 academic letters
Mayor's Award for community service
1st place at NYLF Public Health Symposium for HIV/AIDS awareness project
Outstanding achievement at Poetry Out Loud (school-wide)</p>

<p>OTHER...?
I'll probably write some fairly strong essays, and get good letters of recommendation. I understand that stats get you to the interview, and interviews (well, combined with everything else) get you into the program. So I guess my question is: do I have a shot at interviewing for these programs?</p>

<p>That was a bit of a text wall, so thanks very much if you got all the way down here. :]</p>

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<p>Your CV is excellent. You probably shouldn’t worry about taking the SAT over again, as all the Bachelor/MD programs that I know of accept the SAT Reasoning Test OR the ACT. That’s bc different parts of the country tend to have a preference for either test. So you can just turn in the ACT only.</p>

<p>Why aren’t you interviewing at the other California Bachelor/MD programs? Those are very top notch as well.</p>

<p>UCSD/UCSD Medical Scholars Program: [UCSD</a> Medical Scholars Program - Home](<a href=“http://meded.ucsd.edu/groups/med-scholars/]UCSD”>http://meded.ucsd.edu/groups/med-scholars/)
Caltech/UCSD Medical Scholars program: [Caltech</a> Undergraduate Admissions: Preparing for Medical School](<a href=“http://www.admissions.caltech.edu/learning/premed]Caltech”>http://www.admissions.caltech.edu/learning/premed)</p>

<p>Other prestigious Bachelor/MD programs:
Rice/Baylor, UPitt, Penn State/Jefferson Medical College, University of Miami, Boston University, Wash U in St. Louis University Scholars in Medicine Program.</p>

<p>I’ve never heard the Drew University/UMDNJ-NJMS and the Siena/Union/AMC programs being that really hard to get into.</p>

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<p>Thanks for chancing, MD2B2012. If I do well on the SAT next time, I’ll submit both, but otherwise, you’re right. I’d just turn in my ACT. I’m applying to UCSD’s medical scholars program, but I figured that it was so competitive I didn’t have much of a shot, haha.</p>

<p>I think Penn, Boston, and Wash U require the MCAT, which I’m trying to avoid since I already have a lot of schools I’m applying to. Unfortunately, I don’t fulfill the GPA requirements for UPitt. I’m definitely applying to Rice/Baylor, though. </p>

<p>Are you in an accelerated MD program?</p>

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<p>ouch @ the SAT math… if they confirmed your answers were correct, why didn’t they adjust your score? You probably could have scored a 2400 or close to that. Otherwise, excellent stats. No one mentioned applying to Brown PLME yet?</p>

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<p>Riapal, what do you mean your GPA doesn’t meet the requirements for UPitt? Your unweighted GPA is a 4.0 and your weighted GPA is a 4.477 correct? There isn’t even a high school GPA requirement listed, not to mention your GPAs are stellar along with your class rank (which gives your GPA context).</p>

<ol>
<li>[Guaranteed</a> Admissions Program | Admission and Requirements | Admissions & Financial Aid | University of Pittsburgh](<a href=“http://www.medadmissions.pitt.edu/admissions-requirements/guaranteed-admissions.php]Guaranteed”>http://www.medadmissions.pitt.edu/admissions-requirements/guaranteed-admissions.php)</li>
<li>[University</a> of Pittsburgh: Undergraduate Admissions & Financial Aid](<a href=“http://www.pitt.edu/~oafa/guarantee.html#med]University”>http://www.pitt.edu/~oafa/guarantee.html#med)</li>
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<p>Yes, I almost forgot another very prestigious one is Brown’s PLME.</p>

<p>Virginia Commonwealth also seems to be a well liked program by quite a few students esp. with financial aid: <a href=“https://www.pubapps.vcu.edu/honors/guaranteed/medicine/index.aspx[/url]”>https://www.pubapps.vcu.edu/honors/guaranteed/medicine/index.aspx&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>schrizto: They said it was a “failure to follow instructions”. I’m bitter, but oh well. I’m positive I’ll do better when I retake it, and I’m hoping my ACT, subject test, and 5 on Calc AB offset the SAT Math fiasco. </p>

<p>MD2B2012: Hm, I thought I’d read somewhere that UPitt required you to take all APs possible at your school…which wouldn’t apply to me, as I opted to take anatomy rather than AP Art History. I must have been mistaken; I’ll look into the program.</p>

<p>Yes, I’m definitely applying to Brown’s PLME. I think I might also have a chance (hopefully I’m not jinxing it) at St. Bonaventure’s program with George Washington University’s Medical School. Do you know how competitive that one is?</p>

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<p>I don’t think ANY school requires that you take all APs possible at your school - which would have been close to impossible at my high school where every AP class is offered and I went to public school. Your academic stats are truly outstanding even if you were to decide to only send score reports of your ACT score and your SAT II subject exams only (which is all that is required as you wouldn’t need to send an SAT I AND an ACT score).</p>

<p>Don’t apply for too few Bachelor/MD programs. Regardless of how good your academic stats are, apply for normal undergrads AND to the Bachelor/MD programs that you can see yourself as attending and be happy at. All this application money is a drop in the bucket compared to what you will be shelling out for your education (and when you get your financial aid package) so now is not the time to be stingy with application fees or say you don’t want to apply to too many places. I would say you even have a great chance to attend one of the Ivies for undergrad.</p>

<p>There are 2 Bachelor/MD programs for students directly from high school with George Washington University School of Medicine and Health Sciences.</p>

<p>The George Washington University Columbian College of Arts & Sciences and the School of Medicine and Health Sciences (obviously this one has the benefit of a much higher ranked undergrad than St. Bonaventure and you could always apply out to a better undergrad if you wanted to go to a better medical school than GWU)
– 7 years
– requires a math and science SAT II - both of which you aced
[BA/MD</a> Program - GW Doctor of Medicine Admissions](<a href=“http://www.gwumc.edu/EDU/admis/html/academics/bamd.html]BA/MD”>Welcome | School of Medicine and Health Sciences)
[GW:</a> Something Happens Here<a href=“See%20#2”>/url</a></p>

<p>St. Bonaventure-George Washington University School of Medicine B.S./B.A.-M.D. 4+4 Dual Admissions Program
– 8 years
[url=<a href=“http://www.sbu.edu/About_SBU.aspx?id=6230]SBU-GW”>http://www.sbu.edu/About_SBU.aspx?id=6230]SBU-GW</a> Combined Degree Program in Medicine](<a href=“http://gwired.gwu.edu/adm/financial/collegecosts/cost/]GW:”>http://gwired.gwu.edu/adm/financial/collegecosts/cost/)</p>

<p>I didn’t think Drew University’s program with UMDNJ-New Jersey Medical School was that prestigious or well-known. I would have thought the Rutgers University-UMDNJ Robert Woods Johnson Medical School program was the better one (although for that one you apply at the end of your sophomore year).</p>

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<p>wait, how is 5 of 346 top 1%? it’s more like 1.4%</p>

<p>if that is the case, then I’m in top 1% too (9 of 620)</p>

<p>wow, ur weighted GPA is pretty high. does that include honors classes or just AP/IB clsses?</p>

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<p>What about Drexel 7 year BS/MD ? Are you not applying to that ?</p>

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<p>That’s ridiculous… there is no such requirement.</p>

<p>Also, you should add a note on your application explaining the SAT math fiasco, and perhaps attach a document confirming your answers were correct if you have one. That would clear things up.</p>

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<p>Don’t worry, I’m definitely applying to several BS/MDs–prestigious as well as less so. These programs are worthwhile enough to me that I wouldn’t mind going to a lesser known schools. I am applying to both George Washington programs.</p>

<p>It is 1.4%, but I think since it’s a 4 and not a 5 I’d round down? I’m putting both my actual rank and the percentile on my application. That does include honors and AP classes. I’m not sure how those convert into A-G GPAs and college GPAs, but that’s just my high school weighted GPA.</p>

<p>I’m not applying to Drexel because of the MCAT requirement, but it’s a great program from what I’ve heard. My parents are discouraging me from going out of state if I have to take the MCAT (for financial reasons).</p>

<p>And I don’t have a document to prove that about the SAT, unfortunately, but I feel like (well, I’d like to feel like) there’s enough a discrepancy between that and my other math scores they’ll believe me. I will probably submit all of my scores because I’m happy about my CR and Writing scores on the SAT.</p>

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<p>Remember, many schools do not use/look at the Writing and just add up the Math and Verbal, which would put you currently at a serious disadvantage. In all honesty, whether it’s the SAT vs. ACT - no school cares which one you pick, or why you picked your specific test, as long as you do pick one. Unless you can get a perfect 2400 which is equivalent to a 36, there’s really no point as you can see here, [ACT</a> (test) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“ACT (test) - Wikipedia”>ACT (test) - Wikipedia), you have a 35, which is about equivalent to a 2340.</p>

<p>You’d be better off, say in putting more effort into getting a publication out of research, and getting something either published or in the process of being published - on your CV you can just put in (Submitted), as many of the top tier Bachelor/MD programs do like research and to see any fruits of that research.</p>

<p>You’re better off just sending the ACT, since you got a 35 out of a perfect 36. Definitely DO NOT send both, as it will raise eyebrows esp. when they see you got 800s in Verbal and Writing on the SAT but your lowest score of 34 on the ACT was in Reading. Or if you were to get less than an 800 on the SAT in Math on your 2nd try, while your ACT Math is a 36.</p>

<p>Oh, to answer your prior question I was in a Bachelor/MD program, left after first year, bc I realized early on it wasn’t that great of a structured program and I am now at UPenn’s medical school.</p>

<p>While each one is different, the ones that use the MCAT usually do so as a formality, meaning either you just take it but it means nothing, or you have to get such a low score like a 28 to go on to the medical school.</p>

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<p>1, 1.4% is 1-5%, not 1% by coolege admission.
2, definitely you need re-take SAT.</p>

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<p>MD: I was thinking that, but some programs (HPME, PPSP, Rochester) take combined scores. I figured that I’d see how the retake turns out and then see what to submit. I don’t really think colleges expect a “once perfect, always perfect” deal, but I’ll see. Thanks so much for your advice. And congratulations, UPenn is a great med school. Looks like you made a smart choice.</p>

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<p>No chance.</p>

<p>4.0
2400</p>

<p>Now chance me.</p>

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<p>'Chances for combined Medical programs, such as UCSD - SAT is 2300 + and Subject SAT’s are good, unweighted GPA is 4.0</p>

<p>ECs’ :
Shadowed a doctor
Research
Volumteer work at local hospital
President and founder of a club
Member of several other clubs at school</p>

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<p>seems like she has a good enough gpa/test scores</p>

<p>and solid extracurriculurs, but there is no real “chance” for these programs, its frickin hard and all you have to do/can do is really give strong reasons why you are mature enough to make a decision like being a doctor right now, and how passionate you are</p>

<p>is she a junior?</p>

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<p>I agree with kbbm24. I heard that UCSD is getting rid of its program, but that could be just a rumor. All of the programs you’ve mentioned are incredibly competitive, but I think your daughter could get interviews with some strong essays.</p>

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<p>EDUCATION________________________________________</p>

<p>GPA : 3.97 Un-weighted, 4.445 Weighted ; Rank : 3 out of 536</p>

<p>Cornell University, Ithaca, NY – Undergrad Summer College program: June 2009 – August 2009
GPA : 3.529; Introduction to Biological Research (A-), Microeconomics ( B+), Environmental Science (A-)</p>

<p>Test Scores
SAT : Mathematics – 750, Critical Reading – 610, Writing – 700<br>
SAT II : Mathematics II – 760, Chemistry – 730, US History – 600
AP: Calculus AB – 5, Calculus BC – 4, Chemistry – 4, US History – 3, English - 3</p>

<p>AWARDS & HONORS________________________________________</p>

<p>University of California ELC Recognition September 2009
Given for placing in the top 4% of California HS seniors</p>

<p>Top Scholar Award April 2009
Given by Pleasnton High School for academic excellence of 4.0 GPA and above</p>

<p>AP Scholar with Honor Award August 2009
Given in recognition of exemplary college-level achievement on Advanced Placement Program Examination</p>

<p>Third place in PHS National assessment and Testing October 2009
National Assessment & Testing administers high quality, mathematics competitions for math teams and honor societies</p>

<p>Third place in Science Odyssey March 2008
The science fair provides school students from Livermore, Dublin and Pleasanton to showcase their independent research</p>

<p>LEDERSHIP________________________________________</p>

<p>President September 2006 – Present
Pleasanton Pre-Med Society 3 hours/week, 30 weeks/Year
• Re-founded the club in July 2008 to discuss current trends and careers in biomedical science.
• Plan and organize activities, invite guest speakers from various fields of biomedical sciences. </p>

<p>Vice President August 2009 – Present
PHS Youth Authors Association 2 hours/week, 30 weeks/Year
• Founded the club at Pleasanton High in August 2009 to let students critique writings to enhance the individual’s ability to write succinctly and precisely.
• Moderated six discussions and submitted four writings so far</p>

<p>Publicist, Communications Officer and Secretary August 2006 – Present
PHS Interact Club 3 hours/week, 30 weeks/Year
• Planning and coordination of PHS’s largest service organization; execute community, school, environmental, international and fundraising activities. </p>

<p>Co-founder and Advisor to the President July 2008 – Present
Pleasonton high School’s Debate and Speech 3 hours/week, 30 weeks/Year
• The club provides a platform to develop communication skills and critical thinking
• Contribute by researching information needed to make a proper rebuttal on a given issue. </p>

<p>Active member<br>
• PHS California Scholarship Federation; August 2008 – Present ; 1.5 hours/week, 30 weeks/Year
• PHS Model United Nations; August 2009 – Present; 4 hours/week, 30 weeks/Year
• PHSMath Club; August 2009 – Present
• PHS Cultural Club; August 2007 – June 2008; 1 hour /week, 30 weeks/Year</p>

<p>VOLUNTEER & COMMUNITY SERVICE________________________________________</p>

<p>Nursing Care Center November 2007 – Present
VA Hospital, Livermore, CA 7 hours/week
• The nursing care center provides shelter and care for the terminally ill veterans
• I comfort, feed, help and take care of terminally ill veterans. I shadow RNs and Physicians on duty</p>

<p>Government Area Hospital June 2007 – July 2007
Gudivada, AP, India 20 hours/week
• The Hospital provides medical services to people from forty villages around the town of Gudivada
• Comforted, fed, helped and took care of the patients in Geriatric and Pediatric departments. I shadowed Physicians on duty</p>

<p>Hindu Community and Cultural Center April 2006 – Present
Livermore, CA 4 hours every alternate week
• A center for Hindus to come to pray, study religion and participate in cultural programs.
• The center also provides bi-weekly health advisory services and conducts half yearly health fairs.
• I help at the front office, temple, kitchen, assembly hall, library, and dining areas. I assist devotees, visitors, staff and visiting Doctors</p>

<p>ARTS________________________________________
Pleasonton Orchestra - Viola player August 2006 – March 2008</p>

<p>SCIENCE PROJECTS & RESEARCH PAPERS________________________________________</p>

<p>The Tri-Valley Intel Science and Engineering Fare October 2008 – March 2009
• Performed an in vitro experimentation to find if heat reduces oxalate levels in high oxalate foods.<br>
Science Odyssey July 2007 – March 2008
• Performed an experimentation to find the scientific reasoning behind the wilting of leaves. </p>

<p>Research Papers<br>
• Why should the US Federal government support stem cell research? - GHS
• Ganges river pollution in India: The causes, effects on ecosystem and solution - Cornell University<br>
• Why diseases and illnesses should not be attributed to vaccines – Cornell University</p>

<p>ADDITIONAL INFORMATION________________________________________</p>

<p>Languages : English, French and Tamil</p>

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<p>So main question can i get into:</p>

<p>SLU
UMKC
SBU/GW
GW
NEUCOM
STONY BROOK</p>

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<p>raise the SAT - you might miss some cutoffs like penn state-jefferson 2100</p>