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Colleges and Universities A-Z University of Maryland - College Park
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<p>State: Maryland
Ethnicity: White
Gender: Female
Major: Engineering, biomedical or chemical</p>

<p>GPA: 3.8 uw, 4.3 w
ACT: 30
SAT: 1410/1600; 2010/2400
770 Math
640 Reading
600 Writing
Rank: 9/330
AP's:
US History- 3
World History- 4
English Language- 4
AB Calculus- 5
Current-
Chemistry
English Literature
BC Calculus
Psychology
Music Theory</p>

<p>Extra Curriculars:
Marching Band since 8th grade, flag line captain since 10th
NHS 10-12, Vice President 12
SGA 9-12, Class Secretary 9
Math Team
Key Club
MESA
Church Youth Group and Youth Band</p>

<p>Awards:
HOBY Ambassador
HOBY Team Alumni
AP Scholar w/ Honor
Maryland Distinguished Scholar Academic and Talent in the Arts (flute)- Honorable Mention
Principal's Honor Roll- all quarters</p>

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<p>I’d say you are definitely in, and probably can go straight to engineering but I’ll defer that part to others who know more about the engineering program.</p>

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<p>Really? </p>

<p>Sometimes I marvel that people actually think MD is that hard to get into…</p>

<p>If you can’t get into your flagship state uni with a 3.8 and 30 ACT then where the F would you go? Yes, third tier for you, since you clearly failed so hard in HS with that 3.8 there and all those APs…:wink: !!!</p>

<p>You will most certainly be accepted into the engineering school and probably also accepted into Honors.</p>

<p>Now scholarships are a bit trickier and I only possibly see you receiving a small one. My bro had slightly better stats in-state (v. competitive/respected public HS and slightly higher verbal/writing scores) and did not receive a scholarship though easily accepted into engineering program and Gemstone. BUT your rank is quite high for that GPA/SAT score combo, so if you come from an underrepresented area/school you may receive a small one.</p>

<p>Remember to apply by priority deadline for honors/scholarship consideration. Also if you wait you may not even be accepted into engineering (though your chances for getting in overall are still essentially 110% :P).</p>

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<p>Nobody said they would not get into UMDCP or engineering, however, there is a difference between getting into Engineering and getting into Clark. </p>

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<p>That is laughable…DS is OOS 33 ACT, 1390 out of 1600 SAT, 3.73 uw gpa and 4.3 w gpa, same APs and no easy courses like Music or Psych (took Latin and CC classes through jump start)…all better stats regarding ECs than the OP…what did we get merit? pitance! UMiami OOS @90K over 4 yrs. and NYU 50-60K (can’t remember).</p>

<p>UMD is the worst, except for BK in FA. Their endowment is very small compared to schools like UVA or UMiami, and that is where the money comes from.</p>

<p>IT is important to remember they look at the entire student. This includes the rigor of their course curriculum, the strength of the HS (there was a thread only a few weeks ago where UMD stated that these were their top 25 HS in MD for engineering, including IS scholarships) and your ECs.</p>

<p>Without a doubt in and probably Gemstone for engineering, but BK I would not bank on being a finalist.</p>

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<p>“Nobody said they would not get into UMDCP or engineering, however, there is a difference between getting into Engineering and getting into Clark.”</p>

<p>? </p>

<p>What does that mean?</p>

<p>“That is laughable…DS is OOS 33 ACT, 1390 out of 1600 SAT, 3.73 uw gpa and 4.3 w gpa, same APs and no easy courses like Music or Psych (took Latin and CC classes through jump start)…all better stats regarding ECs than the OP…”</p>

<p>Nope, not laughable - true as far as my observations are concerned. Your son may have gotten pittance, but if he got anything, that’s more than many in-state students with similar stats got. My bro had about those stats (actually, a higher GPA than that) and got 0 money whatsoever. I’m convinced if he was out of state with those stats he would have gotten some money to lower the cost (though overall as an OOSer he still would have paid more than an in stater on no scholarship, perhaps - but that is why they try to attract them, isn’t it?).</p>

<p>“BK I would not bank on being a finalist.”</p>

<p>Lol of course not…</p>

<p>But again her rank is very interesting. If she is a minority/from a poor or underrepresented area, scholarship opportunities might be possible. Small ones, as I said, not the friggin’ B/K haha. You basically have to be a perfect star for that ;).</p>

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<p>Let’s see IS is 18K, OOS is 33K. Thus, even 8K a yr means that they are paying 25K, whereas, your brother is still 7K less. In these financial times when parents mutuals are still 25% below what they were 16 months ago, that 7K makes a huge difference, in Terp Payment plans it would equal 700-900 a month depending which plan you took.</p>

<p>As a parent when both DS1 and DD2 were applying, financial aspects were placed into the equation. They both knew that no matter what their dream college was they could apply, and we would do everything we could to get the bills covered, but in the end of the day if there was going to be a cash shortage it would be a no go. We are not millionairres, our DD has to be thankful that DS is full ride scholarship from the AF, because we can now afford to pay for a more expensive college bill.</p>

<p>There are several parents on this site that have children with the BK. I know for sure one is OOS and one is IS. Some sent their kids to UMD as an IS because in the end to send them somewhere else was going to incur 10s of thousands in loans and the BK was making it free from soup to nuts. </p>

<p>Next…not sure how to make it clearer, will they get in ? Yes and that is what everyone stating, but to be admitted into UMDCP as an Engineering student does not mean they are automatically going to get into Clark. The same is true for Smith or Merrill, you can be in a program, your degree will state Engineering UMDCP, the one from Clark will state UMDCP Clark. Many of these schools have scholarships offered only through their school. If you get on Deans list for Behavioral, than you are eligible for more scholarships within that school, if you don’t than you aren’t…it is all merit and not FA.</p>

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<p>I do not understand. How do you get accepted into the Engineering program and not be accepted to the Clark School of Engineering? Are they not one and the same?</p>

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<p>Smith, Clark and Merrill are all schools within UMD. You maybe accepted to UMD, but not to any of those schools.</p>

<p>I suggest you read into Clark [University</a> of Maryland A. James Clark School of Engineering: Prospective Students: Undergraduate Majors](<a href=“http://www.eng.umd.edu/prospective/psug_majors.html]University”>http://www.eng.umd.edu/prospective/psug_majors.html)
[University</a> of Maryland A. James Clark School of Engineering: About Us: Fact and Figures](<a href=“http://www.eng.umd.edu/aboutus/aboutus_facts-figures.html#ugmajors]University”>http://www.eng.umd.edu/aboutus/aboutus_facts-figures.html#ugmajors)

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<p>Thus, there are kids there taking engineering classes that were accepted general admit, but not in engineering. In essence, the graduating classes are about 4000 students for all of UMDCP. Only a small amount come from Clark. Clark also has specific degrees at UMDCP.</p>

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<p>670 students matriculating out of over 4000 is a small percentage. There will always be students that get in for general admittance and intend to major in a certain degree, they do well in their freshman yr and apply within UMDCP to get into the “X” school.</p>

<p>In the OP’s case, their SAT is in the 50% range, but 50% is never somewhere you want to be in, you always want to be above. </p>

<p>I will keep stressing UMDCP is lucky due to the economic downturn. IS is becoming more attractive. In the last two yrs since our DS applied, UMDCP has continued to break application records, they are now above the 30K marker for 4K spots (2K more in 2 yrs…my bet it will be another record breaking yr) . They have gone from more selective to most selective in USNWR rankings. Additionally, UMD regarding engineering for Clark and IS scholarships have tagged certain schools within MD. On top of that UMD has decided they want to increase their International pool while increasing their IS %. Thus, for OOS they will see it become more selective since UMD is going from 30% OOS/International to 25%, while increasing International. They have publicly announced they want to quadruple the international undergrad in the next few yrs. State regs mandate how many OOS/International they can have, typically topping at 30%. When you have students from math oriented countries like China or India, you may get in, but it will be general admit.</p>

<p>The OP is fortunate since she is IS and FEMALE, notice they have announced the increase in women, which means that is a motivation. She is also fortunate to be white and not Asian, since Asian is an ORM for engineering.</p>

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<p>That is similiar to saying everyone who majors in business graduated from Smith.</p>

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<p>BTW UMDCP has 13 schools or colleges within UMDCP.</p>

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<p>Notice College of Computer, Mathematical and Physical Sciences or the COllege of Chemical and Life Sciences. Let’s say you want to be a Bio-Med engineer…instead of getting into Clark they accept you into the College of Chemical and Life sciences. You take your core courses, for engineering and apply to Clark as a freshman. So yes, you did go in with intentions of engineering, but they did not take you in that school.</p>

<p>We maybe seeing it differently…I am saying you can apply for engineering, not get into Clark, but still get into another school that will allow you to do core courses and apply from within. This would be why in part the Colleges of Computer or Chemical exists.</p>

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<p>“but to be admitted into UMDCP as an Engineering student does not mean they are automatically going to get into Clark. The same is true for Smith or Merrill, you can be in a program, your degree will state Engineering UMDCP, the one from Clark will state UMDCP Clark.”</p>

<p>This is totally false…</p>

<p>If you are accepted as an engineering student at MD, you are accepted into Clark. You CANNOT get an engineering degree from University of Maryland, College Park without being in the Clark school. Similarly you cannot get a business or journalism degree from University of Maryland, College Park, without being in Smith or Merrill. Your degree will never state “UMDCP Engineering”.</p>

<p>“We maybe seeing it differently…I am saying you can apply for engineering, not get into Clark, but still get into another school that will allow you to do core courses and apply from within. This would be why in part the Colleges of Computer or Chemical exists.”</p>

<p>It’s true that you can fail to be admitted as an engineering major to the school but still take certain pre-requisite and CORE classes and apply from within. However that’s definitely not even part of the reason why colleges of computer or chemical sciences exist - those schools serve a totally different set of majors and you can do pre-reqs and CORE classes in order to apply for engineering within ANY college at UMDCP, including (and this is most frequently the case for those that did not get into their first choice major) good ol’ Arts and Humanities as an undecided major. A history major could take the engineering pre-reqs and apply for engineering if he/she so desired.</p>

<p>But the OP doesn’t have to worry about this. Her stats make her an auto-admit for Clark, in my opinion. If she doesn’t get into Clark I would encourage her and her guidance counselor to appeal the decision.</p>

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<p>Are African American females an ORM at the Clark school?</p>

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<p>NO!..if you notice, Clark even stated that they were increasing females.</p>

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<p>Maybe not a shoe in. My daughter had same grades, more AP’s better SATS and did was not admitted although was admitted to Michigan & GT. UMCP has a screwy admissions dept</p>

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<p>That’s scary about Annapolis’s daughter. I assume she was instate? Did she end up at Mich or GT and what does she think about her choice? I went to Mich and loved it!</p>

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<p>Yes she was instate. She is enjoying her choice. Didn’t really want to go instate to MD but made little sense that she got in at GT, Michigan and a couple of other higher ranked Eng schools but not UM. Worked out well in the end but I found their admissions policies confusing at best.</p>

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<p>I don’t remember where I read it, somewhere here on CC I think…but colleges also take into account the likelihood that you will attend once accepted. Perhaps the algorithm they use to determine that said that Annapolis’ daughter would not attend Maryland because she would gain admission to and prefer Michigan and/or GT. </p>

<p>There are lots of threads on the Parents Forum about college admissions being fairly random (by appearance), not just at Maryland.</p>