<p>last attempt >_<</p>
<p>"using a mental disorder that doesn't exist in the first place won't get you anywhere. but I'll love to see you try to explain it in your college essays."</p>
<p>LOL THAT'S HILARIOUS! Since when is ADD nonexistent?</p>
<p>its nonexistent in this case - as in he doesn't have it. it's discussed previously.</p>
<p>"I don't really get your post. I mean if I was in China I might as well have gotten into Beijing U or Xinhua since China looks at test scores alone. Of course the tests are much harder but I would have studied harder since I can't bare to see others beat me on exams. HW is for those who needs it but for those who don't, whats the point?"</p>
<p>wow....that is a <em>very</em> ambitious claim. Yeah, the SAT I score is great, but its no 2400. And the 800 SAT II Chinese is not that prestigious either - what is that, 50th percentile? - sorry to break it to you, but there are other people who test better than you. the "i don't need to study/do homework, i'm that innately smart" attitude also will not get you anywhere. very few people can tolerate arrogrance. adcoms included. especially when they see many spectacular applicants.</p>
<p>I agree ebonytear. You know Vehement... with the right motives and the correct study habbits, you could be a lot more successful. You should think about why you want to go to a good college in the first place. If it's for money or your parents then think harder (this is something I personally had to overcome).</p>
<p>"wow....that is a <em>very</em> ambitious claim. Yeah, the SAT I score is great, but its no 2400. And the 800 SAT II Chinese is not that prestigious either - what is that, 50th percentile? - sorry to break it to you, but there are other people who test better than you. the "i don't need to study/do homework, i'm that innately smart" attitude also will not get you anywhere. very few people can tolerate arrogrance. adcoms included. especially when they see many spectacular applicants."</p>
<p>before you start to belittle others, i think you should double check your posts first. arrogrance and innately won't give your didactic speak anymore weight than it has...</p>
<p>there are others better than me? i don't think i need some guru such as mr. ebony to point that out. however i am sure there are than one person per year going to the top schools right mr. ebony thus i failed to find any irony in my post that i said my score of 585/600 (2340/2400) would get me into the top colleges in china.</p>
<p>ebony have you heard of a saying that goes like this.."fart with your pants down". may i ask you is that really necessary to fart with one's pants down thus why must i do stuff i already know? i really don't know why you hate people who has the same view as me except maybe because you are envious of us? i can find no other reason since it does not affect you in anyway.</p>
<p>pardon me for my language but to see someone coming in here just to bash at me while i sit and do nothing is not my style.</p>
<p>if that is not your intent then you should perhaps pm quick2011 so you can learn how to share your opinion without offending someone else.</p>
<p>I think you'll definitely get into UC Riverside and probably Merced too. Two years ago, I got into UCR even though I didn't apply there, because the UCs have something called "admission by exception." Now, I'm not particularly familiar with it, but I think it's where you get to go to a UC (usually Riverside) because you had exceptional test scores. When I was a senior, I applied to a couple UCs just for fun even though I had a ridiculously low GPA (my last semester of junior year I got something like a 1.87). Even though I didn't apply there, I was accepted to UCR, simply because I had an SAT score of above 1400. There is no way to get into any of the more prestigious UCs through "admission by exception" unless you're some Division 1 calibre athlete or something else special.</p>
<p>I highly recommend the community college route. I've seen some people who went directly to a 4-year institution even though they were "slackers" in hs, and the only thing that comes out of it is them going on academic probation and having their grad school chances killed. At CC, you'll have time to mature, do better in classes, and transfer to a good school where you'll have a clean slate to work with.</p>
<p>I can't really blame you for your academic apathy like some of the other posters here since I can understand how you'd feel so disillusioned. I'm sure you didn't want to get caught up with all the rest of the "point whores" who are willing to do all the busy work in high school yet still not really learn anything. But I don't think you can use that as an excuse. Yeah, high school homework is usually moronic, but what do you do instead? Ask yourself if perusing various internet forums and playing Counter-Strike all day is a legitimate excuse and a better use of your time. It may be a little late right now to tell you this, but you can take AP tests for classes you never took. You could easily have gone to the library and independently studied (I did it for a couple of APs that I didn't take the classes for, and got 4s). You would've probably been more inclined to do this since (1) you're earning college credit and (2) you're learning at your own pace and you really don't have to do any useless homework. Also, you can bet that if your transcript had twenty 4s or 5s on your AP exams, that more than a few colleges would want you, since it shows that you took the time to self-educate yourself.</p>
<p>In response to your question "can't they ever take a gamble and take in smart buy lazy people who WILL study in college?"... the answer is they DO take chances on smart/special people, but smart people who have PROVEN themselves. If you're truly gifted, why don't you have any special extracurricular activity to show for it? How come you don't have a Pulitzer Prize winning novel, have articles published in your field (economy), or are recognized on the national level? Since many of the "good" colleges are research institutions, they want people who are capable of contributing to their prestige (through publication or being recognized through awards). After all, schools are still businesses and no doubt want to find ways to increase their place in the various school rankings.</p>
<p>I have no doubt that you're a fairly intelligent individual, but you need to show that you have motivation in SOME sort of field. Not to sound harsh, but your exceptional SAT scores are nothing to write home about, because everyone knows that SATs are not a reliable indicator of future success anyway. Whenever a school is evaluated, people talk about their Fields Medals, Nobel Laureates, etc, but nobody in their right mind looks at a school and says "wow, they had 15 1600/2400 SAT1 students". "Rolling the dice" on someone who has not done anything of true merit seems rather unwise.</p>
<p>Anyway, sorry for the rant, hope you can drag yourself out of the abyss someday.</p>
<p>^ thats what a quality post looks like...thx alot for the information/opinion
but i have a question. hmm is transferng from a bottom uc to one of the top ones after 2 years easy?</p>
<p>It's not just about not doing homework people, look at his extracurriculars to boot. Zero academics, zero interests = zero admissions.</p>
<p>NO, UC to UC transfers are very very difficult. You get into an honors program at a community college and it is SIGNIFICANTLY easier and more worthwhile. But remember, GPA will be weighted even more as a transfer from a CC... Best of luck,</p>
<p>TTG</p>
<p>do i need to take super hard classes in cc?</p>
<p>thx</p>
<p>what, are you looking to slack off again? why wouldn't you take super hard classes? jesus.</p>
<p>Vehement, as an asian you should know how competive it gets. There are so many chinese people out there that have 3.8 and and score or 2300 or higher. The arrogance and the 'slacker' image you present to the colleges is very damaging to your credits. Colleges look for a person who's 'round', but you're a slice short of a full pie. However, you might want to apply to a community, and then tranfer. That's the best I can think of. Unless of course you manage to get about a 3.0 GPA, but you'll have to work your ass off. Good Luck!</p>
<p>Not really. CC is not like high school. You basically take the same lower division major classes that other people in your major are taking. In terms of GE courses, it's up to you whether or not you want to take "harder" classes. So as an economics major, you don't really have to (and shouldn't) take something like Organic Chemistry to fulfill your science GE requirement. Econ is a very competitive major at a number of schools, so you should aim high in terms of GPA (~3.75 avg for admitted transfers to UCLA). Class difficulty is secondary, BUT you must make sure the course is UC transferable. For example, if you want to fulfill your math GE requirement, you can't just take intermediate algebra or something. As far as I know, you must take at the very least Pre-Calc or Statistics in order for the course work to fulfill the transfer requirement.</p>
<p>If possible, try to sign an guaranteed agreement with one of the schools that you want to go to. The agreements basically state that you complete x number of courses, with an x gpa, and you are guaranteed admission to x school. Sometimes these agreements involve some sort of honors program, which you should participate in if you want to increase your chances of being admitted.</p>
<p>By the way Vehement, after reading your statement about Xinhua and Beijing U, my opinion of you swayed drastically. This is not China. Yes, China is competitive, but America, the competition swells. Like I said before, the American schools looks for a well rounded person, not someone who studies just to pass test, like they do in China. That's why they look at your extracurriculars, such as community service, clubs ect. They look at a person's upbringing and breeding. Do you think the people at Harvard got in by being a shu dai ze (book nerd)? No, they got in by sheer will, determination, and hardwork. Sure, some had there parents buy there way in, but that's not relevent.</p>
<p>You make it sound like just because you're from China and the competition there is so high, America is a breeze for you. Well let me tell you something, if this is the way you act, then you better straighten up. We are a Market Society and no one's going to hand everything to you. You have to work for what you want, which apparently you don't. The whiny way you complain about not having a good enough GPA and --</p>
<p>"do i need to take super hard classes in cc?"</p>
<p>Come on! Do you really think that college is just so easy? I'll just say it flat out then. NYU is out of the question, unless you really start shaping up. Their adverage GPA is 3.74, and they only accept 23% of their overall applicants, and that's if you apply for Early Decision. Let me tell you, a 3.74 is a long shot from your 2.9. Of course, if you really study hard and actually apply that "I can't bare to see others beat me on exams" attitude, you'll be lucky to get into a state college. But if it really comes down to it, maybe you'll do better off in China. Get a mediocre education here, and you can go back to china and get a pretty good job. But that just proves that you don't have enough willpower to tough it out. I'm willing to bet that even if you do get into a college you want to, you'll probably slack off again and decided 'what the hell, I'm here already, I don't need to study since I already know it all.' I don't think your GPA is nessasarily the primary problem, I think you character is.</p>
<p>Rounded character? yes...Tough? No...</p>
<p>I think you have no clue how tough things really are in China. Competition here swells? Well i have relative who is ranked 2/2000 in a magnet school. she is ranked in the top 20 in the entire city of around 2million people. and guess what? she might not even make it to the very top colleges. there really is no comparison. perhaps a small number of people are diligent here but everyone in china studies till 1-2am because if one doesn't, one can't even pass the test. to be honest although i can get 800 on the sat 1 math without breaking a sweat, i can't even pass a year 9 math exam there.</p>
<p>no i am not saying people here are stupid but the dedication people put into their studies in china is in a different class, in fact its in a different world. yes they mgiht be shu dai ze but if you are talking bout nobel prize winners or professors you got to favor those people...</p>
<p>kylipso, i have only lived in china for 6 years thus i barely finished 1st grade there before traveling abroad for the rest of the time so its not i have received much education there. i am complaininh bout gpa because it is flawed. i mean i have teachers that weigh 70% hw and 30% tests...i mean whats the point? that means even people who knows nothing but do all their hw can get a c...</p>
<p>by super hard classes i thought i had to take all honors or sth because if its not necessary then whats the point. it pays to understand one's intention fully before coming in here and wave your troll club...</p>
<p>i also find it kind of funny how you mentioned nyu is a super reach while overseeing that students in cal and la have an aerage of 4.0 gpa. </p>
<p>PS: it used to be that if you got an education from us or gb, you can find a good paying job in china (400k rmb a year + a car is typical) but there are way too many people going back that the demand is no lnoger there. also i loath how you regarded us as a place forcompetitive people while china is for losers...well i can't really blame you because ya..thats a myopic sterotype view the majority american has...</p>
<p>I don't think GPA is flawed. In fact, I think it truely does show to a certain extent how successful someone will be in college. The way I look at it... it shows dedication. You are a great example; no work then no experience, therefore, no grade. If you are truely a super genius as you claim but don't do the work then maybe you should invent something or cure a disease and show the colleges your accomplishment.</p>
<p>first of all, i want to point out the fact that i am a girl.</p>
<p>secondly, i'm not attempting to pretty up my language. i didn't go to a dictionary just to find new words to use. i think innately is a perfectly fine word to use. i debate. deal with it. just because i use 'big' words doesn't mean i'm 'fake' and trying to 'impress' people. </p>
<p>also, i may be wrong here, but...i don't think 'arrogance' is a 'big' word. Not even an SAT word. I think everyone knows what it means. I don't get where you're trying to get there with the prettying up the 'didactic speak'.</p>
<p>i wasn't attempting slander or anything of the like. i'm pointing out real hard facts that everyone on this board has also pointed out. i'm not in the minority here; my view is not radical. i believe some people would agree with me on many of my points. i am not the first person to mention your arrogance in this manner; nor will i be the last. it's just a warning; take it as you will - 'personal insult' or not, it's an issue that the adcoms, employers, and everyone else will highlight. You don't have to accept it. But I'm just saying I think it is there. </p>
<p>'however i am sure there are than one person per year going to the top schools right mr. ebony thus i failed to find any irony in my post that i said my score of 585/600 (2340/2400) *would get me into the top colleges in china. *'</p>
<p>where are the statistics proving this? i don't think so. about 100 people got perfect scores the first time, and as time progresses that number will increase as more people learn how to take the test. Also, include the people who have 2390, 2380, 2370,...down to 2340. That would include thousands of people. enough to fill the elite schools. that's also a difference btw. china and US. its subject-oriented, not like SAT I, but SAT II. ("For students in China, the most important thing in their education process is taking tests. And the most important tests are the College Entrance Examinations which now include 9 subjects: Chinese, English, Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Politics, History and Geography. The scores of this series of exams will decide what kind of university or college to which they can apply and in what major they will be.") So let's look at yours. SAT II Chinese is discredited by adcoms and virtually everyone...once again, percentage is...about 50. Not that spectacular. Actually, under that logic, 50% of people taking that test and getting a perfect score would be admitted to Xinghua or Beida. Does that happen? I think we can agree it doesn't. You note the sheer competitiveness of China; I totally agree on that. No way would half the students go to those elites. The other score is an estimate, and therefore not credible. Not saying you aren't qualified, but rather, things happen. Maybe its just me, but I'm paranoid that things can go wrong, because they do, until you see the straight facts.</p>
<p>i think its especially sad when you criticize me for my 'big words' and 'arrogance' and 'slander' when you yourself are pointing out how competitive China is and 'there really is no comparison.' - and then you talk about how, yeah, it would be a given that you'd get in to Beida or Xinghua if you were in China. And that even though the 'SAT II Math IC' is a joke for you, but you couldn't pass a grade 9 math test there....how does this figure?</p>
<p>'gpa because it is flawed'</p>
<p>and is the SAT flawed? i'd say many people argue that it is more flawed than GPA. That's why the UC system was ready to drop it altogether a couple years back, and the CollegeBoard reformed the SAT. </p>
<p>yeah, China is hard. my parents are from there. I was born there. I know many scholars; one who went to Beida and then to MIT for Sloan business school (and whose mentor was the dean of Sloan, JFK's youngest economic advisor, and with whom he created the MIT Sloan in Asia program), another who was at Xinghua even during Tiananmen and protested and then went to Brown...the list goes on. But one thing they all agree on is that the American system is superior. Yeah, everything is flawed. But America takes into account your character and personality. You may be a genius, but if you're arrogant and snotty, no one will want to work with you, much less hire you. Look at our presidents. Look at our CEOs. Look at the richest people in the world. Look at the most successful. They aren't the smartest people; they're the most liked. Who can connect well with people. Many of these 'super-geniuses' end up working for people who are not as smart; but are much more friendly, and have better social skills - in short, people who are humble. People who work well in a team. Who attribute their success to others, and believe in them. The Group President of Flour Daniel in the Western Hempishere (which used to be the international leader in construction) told my father one time that he'd rather hire three people from unknown grad school than a guy from Stanford business (my father's alma mater, he did work there tho) because the people can be arrogant, hard to work with, and disliked in the workplace. In fact, many PhDs in the construction industry can't get work because their degree is so high. It lowers morale. Lowers productivity. Etc. etc. etc. China may be academically more challenging, but the real world experience that the Ivies include and address is much more valuable - in the real world. Especially in capitalist America. Note that why many people do well after Xinghua or Beida is b/c they got in through communist party connections...and then succeed b/c of the communist party connections. </p>
<p>Life is not ordained by tests. There is no set agenda, 'this is what you must study' in the workforce or in life after school. As TT points out...you have no other activities. Meaning that you are simply good at taking tests. There are no tests later on in life where you only have to fill in bubbles. Life is not that black and white. There isn't always going to be a 'right' answer and a 'wrong' answer.</p>
<p>'may i ask you is that really necessary to fart with one's pants down thus why must i do stuff i already know? i really don't know why you hate people who has the same view as me except maybe because you are envious of us? i can find no other reason since it does not affect you in anyway.'</p>
<p>do i use the word hate? am i envious of you? no. not because i think you're stupid or such, but because i'm OK with who i am. I think a good work ethic is essential, especially to our society. I also think many people would agree with me on this point. i would attribute this 'hate' to frustration that many people on the board, i believe, have. we are defending what we believe in. we've worked hard to get where we are; we've done homework and studied. i think everyone would be annoyed that someone who did less work got the same position as us. i don't think i'm alone in feeling this either. also, we're taking time out of our days - not necessarily 'charity', but something good - to offer you what we believe to be our solid opinions. just because you don't like what we have to say doesn't mean that you get to personally attack us either, as 'arrogant' or 'prissy' or such. </p>
<p>with that said, i don't think i'm going to bother with this thread anymore. or any others that will follow. it seems our opinions are not desired; and perhaps you may wait for some favorable ones to show up and then delight in them. i think this is futile. you'll believe what you believe, and i'll believe what i believe. and you're right - it really is no loss to me.</p>
<p>on the test argument. note the sheer amount of people in china, compared with US. 100 people getting perfect scores in US is in view of US population, which is significantly smaller than China's. Thus, you can mutiply this number several times. And in turn, multiply the 2390s, 2380s, etc. several times. I think that is more than enough to fill those elites.</p>
<p>And the statistics: 7.23 million people took the College Entrance Examinations in China in 2004. </p>
<p>"Lu, Nuo. 7.23 million people took the College Entrance Examinations, the number of people from the countries exceeded that from the cities for the first time. Shanxi News Web. December 1, 2004"</p>
<p>Wow ebonytear... I applaud you... I second your opinions. Very well said.</p>
<p>blah i will go watch wimbledon first then reply that...</p>
<p>but before i do let me say this..</p>
<p>"it seems our opinions are not desired; and perhaps you may wait for some favorable ones to show up and then delight in them. i think this is futile. you'll believe what you believe, and i'll believe what i believe. and you're right - it really is no loss to me."</p>
<p>well i don't think its necessary to make 10 posts and keep saying how you hate people like me to get your points across. like i said, there is a better way to express yourselve...i don't get defensive for no reason...</p>