<p>hey guys, i have a bit of a dilemma here, i plan to attend a community college in the fall and plan to transfer to UCLA or UCB after 2 years. today i began to prepare to choose my classes, everything was fine until i realized that the requirements for Philosophy majors for UCB are not offered at my community college(PCC) at all, 0 out of 3. i looked over at UCLA and pretty much the same happened, 4 courses not offered.
what do i do? i've heard that if the course is not offered at your cc the uc's will not penalize you, but in this case i really do think its going to affect my chances of admission at LA and berkeley. </p>
<p>any help is welcomed. thanks</p>
<p>I have the same problem with UCSD. I have a math class (Math 20E) that I need for my major that happens to only be offered <em>at</em> UCSD, and not at the CC. What’s worse, is that this class is the only thing keeping me from jumping into upper-div courses starting in the Fall. My solution is that I’m planning to take it over the summer session at UCSD. For summer session courses, you don’t have to be a student (of course, taking a class over summer doesn’t guarantee admission either…).</p>
<p>You may wanna see if UCLA and Cal offer the same terms and if so, knock it out over summer.</p>
<p>As you know, not taking these classes will not hurt you, but it is in your longterm benefit to complete those prereqs before you transfer. One option is to take these classes at another community college, either online or with a commute. Another is to take these classes directly from the school you wish to attend as a visiting student, which I believe you can do over the summer (I haven’t done this, but I know UCB offers something like this along with concurrent enrollment, maybe someone else on here can elucidate it).</p>
<p>thanks for the replies, i have searched for CCs around my area that offer the classes i’m missing but the ones that do have the courses only offer 1 and at most 2 courses, which means i would have to attend multiple classes at multiple colleges. i sent out an email to the counselors at UCB and UCLA about this situation and maybe they offer the courses during the summer, if i were to attend those classes would the classes be significantly harder than the classes offered at CC?</p>
<p>i plan to work in the field of law and decided that philosophy was the best way to go as i am really interested in it and seeing the percentage of admission was consistently high(60-70%) for LA admissions. but now i might have to history since ALL of the major reqs are offered at my cc…</p>
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<p>I would assume so. At Cal at least, they are trying to teach you a semester’s worth of info in an 8-10 wk session.</p>
<p>However, if you’re trying to go to Cal or UCLA then the level of study required shouldn’t be something you’d be worried about.</p>
<p>best thing you can do is just attend multiple schools. Many cases my friends had to do it as well. One is currently taking a math course at PCC because Mt SAC was full. try mtsac SMC, OCC, etc.</p>
<p>i dont think you have to finish your major pre-reqs for philosophy…so it shouldnt affect your admission drastically. The fact that it is simply not offered is something beyond your control.</p>
<p>Dainese raises a good point: the philosophy major is not impacted, so prereqs are a little less significant. </p>
<p>And again, it seems like you’re forgetting these classes won’t be held against you, so long as your CC doesn’t offer them. I would just personally recommend you take them, because you get into upper division course work more quickly.</p>
<p>^ thanks for all you guys’ help, i’m kind of a beginner to this whole CC to UC kind of thing. what does it mean that the major is not impacted?
Take Cal for example, assist.org lists 3 major reqs that i can’t find in any CCC and is only offered at Cal, (for $1280 during summer) if i didnt take these classes, are you saying i could just take other philosophy classes offered by my cc and not be at a disadvantage when applying to Cal?</p>
<p>Impaction just refers to how crowded/available the major is. Some universities have great reputations for a particular major and so everybody and their cousin applies to that program and fills it up rapidly. The major is then considered “impacted”, and the selectivity increases for people who want to be admitted to that major.</p>
<p>I think what Empathy and Dainese are saying is that you don’t have to worry about being judged negatively by UC admissions if you don’t take those classes since they aren’t offered in CCs. </p>
<p>If, after transfer, you want to jump right in to upper-division coursework, then you may want to consider taking the classes over the summer. The price is hefty, but I’ve heard that there is financial aid available for summer classes.</p>
<p>i have decided to stick to majoring in philosophy, my top priority colleges are Cal and LA, i am missing a total of 6 courses for the major reqs (3 cal, 3 la) i am prepared to take them during the summer, but should i take all of them? since the fees are very very expensive for visiting students if i was not admitted i could potentially waste all my money. and when should i take them? i have heard of people registering for summer classes during 2nd year when they are applying for transfer, that seems like a good idea because if i didnt get in CAL/LA i could withdraw the classes. but i can only take maximum 2-3 classes during 2nd year summer so what about the remaining courses? should i take them 1st year summer? will i be paying too much money for something that isn’t going to give me a significant edge in admission?
thanks again as always</p>
<p>Sorry to keep repeating myself, but not completing prereqs when your CC doesn’t offer them DOES NOT count against you. If the money during the summer is a big deal, then just don’t do it and there won’t be ANY negative ADMISSIONS consequences. However, after you transfer you will have to take those classes while you are taking upper division courses, which is going to make your junior and senior year more difficult.</p>
<p>I am missing several prerequisites because they were not offered at my CC. If I decide to go a different city to take them over summer, should that be fine if I already applied to several UCs?</p>
<p>Hey, I’m a philosophy major too. Unfortunately, the Cal phil prereqs aren’t offered at many CCCs, so not many applicants complete them prior to transferring. This means that as long as your application is strong, not having the prereqs done will NOT hurt you in admissions, but you will be a bit behind in classes when you enter as a junior. Summer tuition is high, but it’s not outrageous to what you would be paying as a UC student, so I would recommend taking the Cal prereqs during their summer session (they’re all still open!). The UCLA prereqs are available at more CCCs, so you should look around at to see what your options are there. A factor in admissions is “demonstrated interest in the major.” So if you’re applying as a phil major, but haven’t completed 12a, 25a, and 25b, but have completed other philosophy classes, it will show that you are interested in this major even though you haven’t completed the prereqs. The classes at the UC won’t be harder than taking it at the CCC, 12a gives 60+% As, 25a and 25b give 35% As. However, I would recommend taking at least 1 phil class, like into to phil, before taking 25a and 25b OR reading ahead. The reading for 25a and 25b is very complex, so you should get a head start if you plan on taking one of those classes in a 6 week session.</p>
<p>thanks for the replies, you guys have helped me immensely, i have one more question, for the pre reqs for UCLA i went to assist.org
[ASSIST</a> Report: PASADENA 09-10 UCLA Articulation Agreement by Major](<a href=“Welcome to ASSIST”>Welcome to ASSIST)
and it showed 2 columns, i’m a bit new to this, do i only have to take the courses listed on the right column?
thanks</p>
<p>@Extension0 - yes, perfectly fine, BUT make sure they are transferable/equivalent (refer to assist.org) only downside to this is that the UC’s you applied for wont see these classes your taking on your APP. But if you get accepted atleast you wont have to do these classes at a UC.</p>
<p>@stephen91 - althought collegecofidential is here to help, a lot of the questions your asking can be easily anserewd by a counsler at PCC. But no wrries, we all have our woes. The classes on the left column are classes at UCLA. Right column are classes at PCC. LEFT - RIGHT if they match up then they are equivalent to UCLA’s course and transferrable. If it indicates on course equivalent then PCC simply doesnt have a course that is equal to that of UCLA. So yes. only on the right.</p>
<p>@Stephen91
Find the PCC faculty/admin person who is the articulation officer; some phil courses offered may yet suffice for xfer to Cal, but have not been articulated.</p>