<p>"The University of Virginia, the College of William and Mary, Howard University, George Washington University, Johns Hopkins University and other institutions in the DC area fail to accept credits for students who pass the exams for one-year IB courses while they accept credits for students who pass similar exams for one-year AP courses."</p>
<p>AACRAO</a> Transcript - College Policies Discriminate Against IB Programs</p>
<p>Students know if they are going to get credit or not based on all of these college's websites. If they would like to receive credit for year 1 IB courses, then they may choose to enroll at an institution that affords credits for those courses. They may choose not to enroll at a school that doesn't afford them credit - that is the beauty of the higher education market place. </p>
<p>That said, IB Standard Level examinations are somewhat similar to British AS level exams and most colleges don't afford credit for these examinations either. Students in the IB program can elect to take 4 HL courses if they want as well in the Diploma program. At these colleges mentioned, clearly the level of student entering is extremely high so if they afforded credit for SL exams, that is like the entire class which makes it a moot point. I'm sure the first year classes are beyond the IB and AP level in most cases! Further, after looking at their websites, places like GW and Hopkins don't offer credit for certain AP Exams either so it all balances out in the end.</p>
<p>Notes</a> from Peabody: The UVA Application Process: The prevelance of the IB</p>
<p>Students do get IB credit at UVa, but not for the SL exams.</p>
<p>Standard level is HIGH SCHOOL level, right? That's certainly the case in math.</p>
<p>At my son's school, he took the SL math test after taking what was essentially Calculus BC. But he also took the AP exam, so it really didn't matter. I think the most significant question would be whether the IB SL exams in science subjects are equivalent to the AP exam.</p>
<p>There seems to be a lack of understanding about the IB program which consists of standard and higher level courses, TOK, service, and the extended essay which together bestow upon candidates who receive a passing mark the IB Diploma. It is a program and a process. Standard level courses are part of the package; and of course they are for high school. The whole IB program is for high schoolers. Many schools offer credit for those who achieve the Diploma or for single courses for that matter, but that is not the object for the IB program. In fact we have students who attended Stanford who with the diploma started out in college as sophomores. In the end, they may have had a lot of extra credit but they still studied as undergraduates for 4 years. We call them life long learners...not grade enthusiasts. Nevermind, having extra credits can be a great help in allowing for maybe a better assortment of courses.</p>
<p>I am doing IB certificate with 5 subjects and AP with 5 subjects in my junior year and 1 in my senior year.</p>
<p>Are APs used only for awarding credit or for admissions too?</p>
<p>Both AP and IB test scores are likely to be considered in college admission. The Common Application, as of this year, has spaces for self-reporting both kinds of test scores.</p>
<p>i did both AP and IB and got credit for both.</p>
<p>ill still say IB is retarded cuz u dont get credit for it if u dont score wlel on the overall diploma</p>
<p>i will be applying with my end-of-junior-year APs and IB predicteds right? What about the AP i am planning to give at the end of my senior year? Do I write that in the application form?</p>
<p>George Washington has an IB credit chart on its website. It seems fairly extensive. GW:</a> Something Happens Here Not being familiar with the IB system, does that mean these are not one-year courses? And while my D got 8 credits for AP chem, at our HS chem is a pre-requisite, so she had 2 years of chemistry.</p>
<p>IB is good for admissions, but don't count on it for credit. You can only take maybe a maximum of 4 HL tests for credit, and that's assuming you do well enough to warrant credit from the university in question. If it's credit you seek, go for a bunch of AP tests. You're a bit at a disadvantage if you only rely on IB.</p>
<p>^Exactly.</p>
<p>IB isn't about getting credits for college. In fact, in a way, AP is almost built for the very purpose of getting college credits. IB is for people who want to learn for the sake of learning. And not to start an IB v AP argument, but from IB graduates I know, IB does a wonderful job or preparing students for college.</p>
<p>And it's not like these policies are new. Most schools only reward IB HL classes credit. The difference between a one-year AP class and a one-year IB SL class is that the one-year AP classes attempts to cram in a two-year IB HL curriculum, except less depth and more breadth. However, IB HL classes are also pressed for time but not so much</p>
<p>In response to one the earlier posts in this thread- IB SL Biology is in no way comparable to the 1 year AP Biology class. IB Bio is not close to as rigorous as AP in this class. While that is completely untrue in almost every other class, from what I experienced SL Bio was basically a general high school class. In general, I think the IB schedule is much more difficult but thats a completely different question. I'm also not saying that IB SL tests are easier in general, just that the SL bio class is much easier than AP bio.</p>
<p>I found the opposite to be true of IB Bio, I think it depends on the class/teacher.</p>
<p>Uhm, my IB Bio class is the hardest class I'm currently taking, and provides me with 3.5 hours of homework a night. It's INCREDIBLY challenging. (I'm testing AP as well.)</p>
<p>Tokenadult,
S2 will be taking SL exams in Economics and Spanish this year, and Math next year. His school offers some of these classes as a combined AP/IB, so they cover material for both exams and have the class size needed to offer a wider variety of subjects to students. In terms of actual courses, he's in AP/IB Macro/Micro and AP/IB Spanish V. He is currently taking AP Calc AB and will take either BC or Stat next year. The Math SL exam itself does not include that much Calc, but most kids at his school take BC Calc the year they take Math SL, so they are very well prepared. His HLs are Bio, English and Euro. He would be qualified to take Math HL as a fourth subject if he took BC Calc, but he's not into that much torture. He'll take his AP credits quite gratefully. </p>
<p>For a math-oriented kid who is already accelerated in that subject, IB would probably not be a good fit, even if one were to take Further Math. Ditto CS. This is why IB was never on the table with S1, even though he would have loved the TOK, EE and history HL -- he couldn't abide the weaker math.</p>
<p>To me, the strength of IB (at least at S2's school) is the international perspective, the strength and depth of the humanities courses and the philosophical exploration that takes place. For S2, that made IB a clear winner over other programs.</p>
<p>The drawback that I can see for the colleges is that the level of knowledge assessed at SL varies considerably by subject, based on the many AP/IB threads I've read and parents I know whose kids have BTDT. So, to hedge one's bets, this mom writes that check to the College Board. This, in turn, feeds into the testing frenzy that makes May a miserable month.</p>
<p>Maybe because IB students don't know how to use the word 'discriminate' in context. :D</p>
<p>CountingDown:
You have some great points but I'd have to disagree with your opinion on IB Math. I agree SL is similar to high school math except for a more advanced topics like calculus, but HL is much harder. It covers almost all misc pre-calc topics in the first two semesters of the first year, and later goes on to advanced calculus. And this is by no means just skimming through the topics; the questions are extremely in-depth and requires a great deal of problem solving skills. I took HL for my first year and experienced hell because I had only finished regular math 11, and ended up getting a predicted 4..i dropped to SL now and I'm getting a 7 despite missing a whole year. And from what I've heard, Further Math is extremely difficult, and there are only a handful students taking it around the world..this is only for the truly talented math students. </p>
<p>I guess it all depends on the teachers and which country you're in but I'd IB's a great all-around program. Sucks it doesn't get recognized in the US as much as in Europe or other countries...</p>
<p>you'll never take TOK with AP... all the fun that u'r missin!</p>