Columbia relationship

<p>zzgirl, you are truly unbelievable. Have you no capacity for reason?</p>

<p>“Grant”, “confer” and “award” are all synonyms. They mean exactly the same thing. If you believe otherwise, you really need to stop posting your rants and start opening a dictionary. </p>

<p>The University Charter (NY Laws 1810, Chapter 85, Article VII) says:</p>

<p>“That the said Trustees and their successors, shall have power and authority to grant all such literary honors and degrees, as are usually granted by any university, college or seminary of learning in this State or in the United States; and in testimony of such grant to give suitable diplomas under their seal, and the signatures of the President and such professors, or tutors of the college as they shall judge expedient;” </p>

<p>The University Statutes (Section 24(b)) says:</p>

<p>"The University Senate . . . shall have the power, and it shall be its duty:
. . .
b. Degrees: to prescribe, by concurrent action with the appropriate faculty or administrative board, the conditions upon which the following degrees shall be conferred and to recommend candidates for such degrees:
. . .
Bachelor of Arts (B.A.) - Faculty of Barnard College
Bachelor of Arts (B.A.) - Faculty of Columbia College
Bachelor of Arts (B.A.) - Faculty of General Studies
. . .
Bachelor of Science (B.S.) - Faculty of Engineering and Applied Science</p>

<p>The actual language used in the Columbia College and Barnard College diplomas are as follows:</p>

<p>CVRATORES VNIVERSITATIS COLVMBIAE
IN VRBE NOVO EBORACO SITAE
OMNIBVS ET SINGVLIS AD QVOS PREASENTES LITTERAE
PERVENIRENT SALVTEM SCIATIS NOS</p>

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<p>CVM EXERCITATIONES OMNES AD GRADVM
BACCALAVREI IN ARTIBVS
ATTIENTES RITE AC LEGITIME PEREGERIT AD ISTVM GRADVM PROVEXISSE
ETQVE OMNIA IVRA PRIVILEGIA ET HONORES
QVAE ADSOLENT IN TALI RE ADTRIBVE DEDISSE ET CONCESSISSE
IN CVIVS REI PLENIVS TESTIMONIVM CHIROGRAPHIS PRAESIDIS
HVIVS VNIVERSITATIS ET PRASEDIS COLLEGII BARNARDINI NEC NON
SIGILLO NOSTRO COMMVNI DIPLOMA HOCCE MVNIENDVM CVRAVIMVS
DATVM NOVI EBORACI DIE __ MENSIS __ ANNOQVE
BIS MILLESIMO __</p>

<p>CVRATORES VNIVERSITATIS COLVMBIAE
NOVEBORECENSIS COLLEGII OLIM REGALIS
OMNIBVS ET SINGVLIS AD QVOS PREASENTES LITTERAE
PERVENIRENT SALVTEM SCIATIS NOS</p>

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<p>CVM EXERCITATIONES OMNES AD GRADVM
BACCALAVREI IN ARTIBVS
ATTIENTES RITE AC LEGITIME PEREGERIT AD ISTVM GRADVM
PROVEXISSE ETQVE OMNIA IVRA PRIVILEGIA ET HONORES QVAE
ADSOLENT IN TALI RE ADTRIBVE DEDISSE ET CONCESSISSE
IN CVIVS REI PLENIVS TESTIMONIVM CHIROGRAPHIS PRAESIDIS
HVIVS VNIVERSITATIS ET DECANI COLLEGII COLUMBIAE NEC NON
SIGILLO NOSTRO COMMVNI DIPLOMA HOCCE MVNIENDVM CVRAVIMVS
DATVM NOVI EBORACI DIE __ MENSIS __ ANNOQVE
BIS MILLESIMO __</p>

<p>Simply put, the authority to grant/award/confer Bachelor of Arts degrees upon Columbia College and Barnard College students derives from exactly the same authority, and the diplomas are essentially indistinguishable. Why does this threaten you so? Why can’t you admit your error and just move on?</p>

<p>Your insistence on a distinction is irrational. Please stop posting here – you have no credibility whatsoever.</p>

<p>Finally, to put to rest the issue of whether Barnard is “part of” Columbia University, here are two links to the Columbia University Faculty Handbook website. </p>

<p>The first is to the section entitled “Organization and Governance of the University”, under the subheading “Academic Structure of the University”, wherein the following statements are contained:</p>

<p>“The basic organizing units of the University are its 20 Faculties and 78 departments of instruction. The Faculties are commonly referred to as schools or colleges, depending upon historical circumstances.
. . .
Two affiliated institutions - Barnard College and Teachers College - are also Faculties of the University.”</p>

<p>[Organization</a> and Governance of the University](<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/vpaa/handbook/organization.html]Organization”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/vpaa/handbook/organization.html)</p>

<p>The second is to the section entitled “Introduction”, under the subheading “Chronology of the University and Its Divisions”, wherein the following entry is contained:</p>

<p>“1900 Affiliation agreement with Barnard College incorporated it into the University.”</p>

<p>[url=<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/vpaa/handbook/introduction.html#chronology]Introduction[/url”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/vpaa/handbook/introduction.html#chronology]Introduction[/url</a>]</p>

<p>So there you have it zzgirl – your long-denied “proof”, on the official Columbia University website, that Barnard College is “part of” Columbia University. Yes, Barnard is both “affiliated with” and “part of” Columbia, depending on whether you’re talking about legal ownership of assets or academic matters. For academic matters, it is unquestionably “part of” Columbia University.</p>

<p>Very nice work, thedonald!</p>

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NO NOT “exactly same thing” I opened the dictionary
con⋅fer  /kənˈfɜr/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kuhn-fur] Show IPA verb, -ferred, -fer⋅ring.
to bestow upon as a gift, favor, honor, etc</p>

<p>a⋅ward  /əˈwɔrd/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [uh-wawrd] Show IPA
to bestow by judicial decree; </p>

<p>Award and Confer are different meaning. Award is official and legal.
Confer is not official nor legal. </p>

<p>Columbia University NEVER said CU degree in awarded to Barnard graduates.
[Columbia</a> University Statistical Abstract | Student Data](<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/students.html]Columbia”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/students.html)
Here CU degrees is not awarded to BC graduates according to "
Planning and Institutional Research Office of the Provost." Why Barnard is not listed there ?. you never answered this question. </p>

<p>CU always says Barnard degree is conferred… </p>

<p>If you can find official Columbia document saying BC degrees is awarded please let me know.</p>

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Wrong. Barnard diploma is signed by Barnard President with Barnard Seal.</p>

<p>zzgirl, you are correct about the diplomas being different. There was an article in the Spectator about the Latin on the diplomas. Apparently the latin on the Barnard diploma is slightly better. SEA’s is in English.
But now you have me worried about my own credentials. Occidental college only conferred our degrees. I guess I shouldn’t worry too much. The alumni association keeps writing me for donations, so I must be OK.</p>

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<p>So ALL of the Columbia university degrees (BAs from Barnard, CC and General Studies, and BSs from SEAS) are CONFERRED, according to the University Statutes. </p>

<p>Get off this already!!!</p>

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<p>Given the fact that the girl can barely manage English, I think it is wishful thinking on your part to believe that she will be able to comprehend Latin.</p>

<p>For intelligent but non-Latin speaking readers who may read this post, the phrase “In cuius rei plenius testimonium chirographis Praesidis huius Universitatis et Prasedis Collegii Barnardini nec non sigillo nostro communi diploma hocce muniendum curavimus” in the second paragraph roughly translates to, “The signatures and seals on this document are proof that the President of our University and the President of Barnard College have given our shared diploma”. </p>

<p>It can’t really get more clear than that.</p>

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Yes All Columbia degrees( CC BC SEAS etc) are conferred at the Commencement. However, CU never officially awards CU degree to barnard students. CC/SEAS degree is officially awarded by CU.
Here is the proof
[Columbia</a> University Statistical Abstract | Student Data](<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/students.html]Columbia”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/students.html)</p>

<p>For example, honorary degrees can be conferred to non-colmbia person and honoary degree is not officially CU degree. Honorary diploma is probably signed by President of CU and probably say ‘Trustee of COlumbia U…etc’</p>

<p>HOwever, Honorary degree can not be ** awarded**</p>

<p>zzgirl: I don’t think the distinctions you make are valid, but even if they are, it’s because Barnard wants things the way they are.</p>

<p>CU begged Barnard throughout the 70’s and early 80’s to merge with CC completely.</p>

<p>Barnard has fought long and hard for its self-goverance, however, it is most certainly part of CU.</p>

<p>Degrees are awarded the same way on graduation day, with all the schools of CU present including CC, SEAS, GS and Barnard.</p>

<p>I am sorry you don’t like this, but there it is.</p>

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If you are member of alumni association, then your degree is probably awarded as well.</p>

<p>Barnard studetns can NOT even join Columbia University Alumni Association because BC degree is not awarded by CU ( it was only conferred).
This is another proof that BC is not CU degree.</p>

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No… BC degrees are ** CONFERRED ** according to the University Sstatute
and other official documents.</p>

<p>If you can find an expression ‘degrees are awarded to Barnard…’ please let me know. I really want to see it …</p>

<p>The idea that you equate membership in some alumni association with the value, validity or substance of the degree one receives is laughable. </p>

<p>Not going through this all again. You, ZZgirl, have not answered ANY of our questions. What is your problem with Barnard? How old are you, etc?</p>

<p>zzgirl, you are beyond irrational now. </p>

<p>The Columbia College and Barnard College diplomas each have the Columbia University seal and 2 separate signatures. The Columbia one has the additional signature of the Dean of Columbia College. The Barnard one has the additional signature of the President of Barnard College (acting as the applicable University dean). The Barnard diploma also has the additional seal of Barnard College – not instead of the Columbia University seal, but in addition to it.</p>

<p>To the extent you or someone you love has any connection to Columbia University, you are now just bringing shame by your pathetic attempt to create a distinction between the CC and BC degrees that simply does not exist. Are you that insecure? I say again, perhaps you would have been happier forming a relationship with a university that you can understand more easily. </p>

<p>For the rest of the world, when our daughters hang their Columbia University diplomas on the wall and write “B.A., COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY, BARNARD COLLEGE” on their resumes, everyone – EVERYONE – except you, zzgirl, will completely understand. Our daughters will have no problem at all verifying attendance and that the degree was properly awarded. And if by having separate alumni associations they’d be less likely to run into you in their post-graduate lives, all the better. </p>

<p>I am done. The topic is exhausted and you are being silly. Go away now, please.</p>

<p>this has taken semantics to a whole new level. . .me thinks zzgirl is enjoying this game.</p>

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<p>Your daughter will have problem verifying attendance and degree awarded. Columbia Univerisity has no record of BC students. CU record will say no degree is awarded to your daughter. CU will say that your daugher was never accpeted to CU and never attended CU. You don’t believe this ?
then call Columbia University and ask them !</p>

<p>and now you understand the difference between ‘Conferred’ and ‘awarded’</p>

<p>go away, zzgirl, no one is listening.</p>

<p>You are correct, the donald. But some of us (like me) are beginning to get a laugh out of our buddy zzgirl. Ya gotta laugh…it’s too funny.</p>

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<p>This isn’t “semantics” – its just stupidity.</p>

<p>“Semantics” requires an actual understanding of the meanings and connotations of words.</p>

<p>calmom, that’s why i think zzgirl is playing with you.</p>

<p>I just don’t understand why anyone would deliberately try to make themselves look stupid, even in the anonymous environment of the internet.</p>