<p>"elisah you compare homosexuality to alcohol and drugs?"</p>
<p>I'm not exactly comparing, but more like using the same principle. What I mean is, often when I talk with those who are pro-gay-rights, they bring up the point that one "can't help being gay, because they're born that way, so we should accept them. They can't change how they feel, so it's wrong to oppress them."</p>
<p>By that principle-- by the "they're born with this sort of mental/sexual wiring, so we have to accept them because they're simply born that way"-- someone COULD excuse alcoholism and drug abuse-- "they're born with this mental wiring that makes them attracted and susceptible to alcoholism, so we have to accept them because they're born that way." Which is of course a really POOR excuse.</p>
<p>It's the same excuse I hear over and over. "You can't oppress gays, they can't help themselves that they were born with these feelings you find objectionable." What if someone were to use that excuse to justify being an alcoholic or a drug abuser? "You can't oppress alcoholics, they can't help themselves that they were born with these feelings to abuse alcohol that you find objectionable."</p>
<p>It's just a really bad excuse that I hear too often. Just because people are born gay doesn't make acting on their desires and impulses justifiable. If you use the same principle, you could say that because people are born with alcholic tendencies or inborn, chemical desires to abuse drugs ("crack babies" for instance), their abuse of drug substances is jusitfiable. </p>
<p>It's simply not.</p>
<p>ryan- go read the creationism vs. evolution thread.</p>
<p>microevolution has undoubtedly been proven, but there are holes in the fossil record that disagree with macroevolution. although evolution is much closer to the truth than creationism.</p>
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umm it has?? Ever taken AP bio? Or are you still enrolled in your "creation science" class at your local church with a stay at home mom with no degree as your teacher?
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<p>I will gladly answer this:</p>
<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=66779&page=4&pp=20%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=66779&page=4&pp=20</a></p>
<p>refer to ALL my posts for reference.</p>
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umm it has?? Ever taken AP bio? Or are you still enrolled in your "creation science" class at your local church with a stay at home mom with no degree as your teacher?
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Evolution has NOT been proven and there are flaws in it! Its only taught in schools as a theory. v_v my gosh.</p>
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gay sex is not against the law either.
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I was talking about gay marriage being against the law.</p>
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The media puts pressure on children...why just the other day, I was browsing through my T.V channels, and surprisingly: I found a particular cartoon/show to be more than gay: Spongebob Squarepants.</p>
<p>No offense or anything; but that specific character pretty much acts gay on "special" occasions. I seen males kiss males on that show. I seen pretty much the "gay" sterotype on that particular show.
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Woah. ***? Acts gay? This is a KIDS show. Spongebob is meant to be stupid and its all very humurous for the viewers. What in the world would make you think that a child watching this show will say "Spongebob is gay, so its cool!" I watch spongebob and gay never even crossed my mind. There is not any hint of innuendo unless you want to read into every pansy little antic he does!</p>
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That has to be the most ridiculous thing that I have ever heard of. If anything most societal pressures are anti gay. Children do not learn to be gay from a show with no sexual references at all in spongebob squarepants.
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<p>Riiight.....you should watch that show....and you'll see what I'm talking about</p>
<p>So if you are born with a high IQ should you purposely try to suppress it? What about if you are born with great looks, do you need to purposely make yourself ugly just to fit in with the average american? From my point of view(which is obviously not in the majority on here) I view homosexuality as something that is genetic but NOT negative. Just like red hair, one should not have to change themselves(dye their hair) just to attempt to fit in with the masses. The alcohol gene is a bad one because it destroys ones life, homosexuality doesnt have to be like that if we can learn to accept gays for their differences.</p>
<p>quite jaded there would be no such thing as biology without evolution.</p>
<p>for someoen to do something in the bedroom it does not require the approval of others.</p>
<p>homosexual acts are an issue of personal conscience and choice.</p>
<p>quitejaded: because it's a kids show; what do you think will happen?</p>
<p>How can the words "gay" not cross your mind? When there are pretty much a lot of....</p>
<p>exactly thats why its noones right to tell people how they should or shouldnt act when it comes to sexual orientation.</p>
<p>lets leave evolution alone for now.</p>
<p>theres no logical reason to place creationism ahead of evolution as more likely to be true. from a religious standpoint, i am inclined to believe intelligent design, but since God's existence cannot be proven, you can't really debate it.</p>
<p>Man; seriously: Spongebob Squarepants has been the only T.V. show that I've ever watched that's actually influencing "gay" behavior (and I watched a lot of television during my infancy!)</p>
<p>the sloc you are perhaps the most uneducated CC'er I have yet to come across. Its not just that I disagree with everything you have to say but everything you have to say really makes no coherent sense.</p>
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quite jaded there would be no such thing as biology without evolution.
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Oh, come off it! Microevolution, yes. Macroevolution, not proven. The end.</p>
<p>A lot of what thesloc? What exactly is so gay about spongebob? Is it because he's stupid, strange and submissive? Are you one of those people who think boys on a cheerleading squad are gay?</p>
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exactly thats why its noones right to tell people how they should or shouldnt act when it comes to sexual orientation.
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actually if you claim to subscribe to a religion, your religious leaders have a right to instruct you on morality, in fact, it's their job.</p>
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the sloc you are perhaps the most uneducated CC'er I have yet to come across. Its not just that I disagree with everything you have to say but everything you have to say really makes no coherent sense.
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<p>Man, you need to meet more people.</p>
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the sloc you are perhaps the most uneducated CC'er I have yet to come across.
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don't do that. if you write him off, you fail to understand how Bush was elected. i imagine thesloc as a homeschooled, very religious, conservative from either the south or the midwest. how accurate is that assessment?</p>
<p>but it isnt your constitutional duty to follow a religion.</p>
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Are you one of those people who think boys on a cheerleading squad are gay?
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<p>hell no; if you still think that a guy cheerleading is "gay", than you're "old SkOoL".</p>
<p>Haha I dont want to debate how Bush was elected but I guarantee it that Gay Marriage was a HUGE issue to southern Ohio swing voters.</p>