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Based on the 4000000000 posts I just saw titled "asian blah blah blah", most Asians seem to want to get into Ivies. But I'm still kind of confused from all these posts.
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<p>Make that most Asians on CC want to go to the Ivies or peer schools. The vast majority of Asians in the US don’t consider Ivies or other prestigious colleges an option due to finances (or generally not thinking that higher education is an option – Asians such as Cambodians, Viets, Laotians, Hmong, etc. generally don’t see education as a “way out” as certain other Asian ethnicities – and even the other Asian ethnicities are generally divided depending on socio-economic factors).</p>
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in the context you're taking it, yes, its harder for "normal" asians to get into the ivys. And by normal i'm guessing you mean near perfect gpa, top of the class, perfect math SAT scores, excels in math/science ECs, plays piano/violin, introverted and studies all the time, did things for the sake of getting into college, basically the stereotypical Asian.</p>
<p>Yes the stereotypical Asian is going to have a harder time getting into an ivy league schools simply because of the sheer volume of typical asians.</p>
<p>my advice to you would be that if you're only doing things to get into college, focus on arts or humanities to be a little more original. If you're passionate about math and science then you won't care that the competition in that area is more fierce.
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<p>Ughh, not this argument again!</p>
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Its a terrible thing to say, but Asians seem to create the problem they themselves resent. With 90 percent of Asians taking SAT prep courses and poring over studies until 12 or 1 or 2 in the morning, its easy to see how Asians seem to be the strongest overall group applying to top colleges.
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<p>It’s a terrible thing to say since the majority of Asian students can’t afford to take SAT prep courses.</p>
<p>Why do you think about HALF of Asian-American college students in the US go to community college?</p>
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At the same time, colleges cant afford to take all the 4.0 2200 Asians even if they are stronger than lets say 80 percent of the applicant pool because frankly, no matter how counter effective AA is, you can't have 70 percent of the student body be one ethnicity (unless its white which would be proportionally correct to the US population). Of course, everybody wants their kid to do well but by encouraging this type of lifestyle, Asian parents and students are enhancing a policy they so deeply detest.
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<p>But these very same universities can take an inordinate amount of Jewish students?</p>
<p>Jews make up only 1.5% of the college-age pop. and yet make up about 26-27% of the Ivy League student body (and as high as 30% at certain Ivies like Yale and Penn).</p>
<p>Asian-Ams, otoh, make up nearly 6% of the college-age pop. and make up “only” 17-18% of the IL student body. </p>
<p>You do the math as to which group is more overrepresented (overlooking the factor that Asians are a much more DIVERSE group).</p>
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These "top" schools' very diversity, their ability to craft a broad student body -- is one of the inherent things that MAKES them "top tier". You can't say: I'm a 2300 SAT Asian so I DESERVE a spot over a 1900 Puerto Rican or a 1900 Women's soccer player or a 1800 Flute prodigy or a 1800 development admit. The fact that there seems to be an abundance of 2300 SAT Asians (I'm over generalizing of course -- but for the sake of our argument...) and once the unofficial quotas are met, they'll have to settle elsewhere.
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<p>Uggh – not this BS “diversity” argument again.</p>
<p>So …there also isn’t an overabundance of “2300 SAT Jews”? And considering the % of Jewish students at the Ivies, it doesn’t seem that their preponderance in having high test scores has affected them negatively.
This whole diversity argument that these schools use is BS.</p>
<p>They defend taking an inordinate % of black students from immigrant families (from Africa and the Caribbean – 40% of the black students at the Ivies) by arguing that it is on the basis of cultural “diversity” (yeah, the fact that they tend to have higher test scores isn't the key factor).</p>
<p>And btw, black immigrant students also have the stereotype of being academic “grinds” – but that doesn’t seem to hurt them as the Ivies can’t seem to get enough of them.</p>
<p>Otoh, the arguments these schools (as well as certain posters here) use for limiting Asian-Am student enrollment is that too many Asian-Ams would bring a lack of diversity – despite the fact that the Asian-Am community is very diverse (and certainly much more so culturally than the Jewish community).</p>
<p>In addition, the majority of Asian-Am students at the Ivies and other top universities are “whitewashed” Asians (aka “twinkies” or “bananas”) who are culturally no different from their white counterparts (due to having grown up in “white suburbia) – and are usually of Korean, Chinese or Japanese ethnicity.</p>
<p>If these schools were really interested in “diversity” – they would be admitting more Asian students who have greater cultural ties to their roots, as well as more Asian-Am students from underrepresented ethnicities (Laotian, Hmong, etc.) – but they DON’T. They basically admit Asian students who have the highest test scores/ECs, etc. – basically Asian students who have grown up in affluent suburbs and the best students from the top magnet schools in urban areas).</p>
<p>The common factor in gaining admission is high test scores – but with regard to diversity, that means very different things for black and Asian applicants.</p>
<p>This btw, is in contrast to UCB – which has a more diverse Asian-Am student pop. (in fact, one professor at UCB who initially was against the doing away of affirmative action and the inevitable increase in the Asian student body – admitted that the student body, in many ways, has become even more diverse).</p>