<p>I work at one of the most prestigious buyside firms in the world ( actually it probably is the most prestigious ). A number of the top people in the firm went to Cornell, these guys pull in high 7 figures easily.</p>
<p>I don’t understand the reason for doubts about Cornell. Let’s just put it this way – inspite of its absolutely terrible location the school is rather good ( and by rather I mean very good ) - I think that means something.</p>
<p>I am proud of the fact that I went to Cornell.</p>
<p>cornell is definitely one of the best Universities in the country in terms of academics, student successes, variety of classes, and a nice location</p>
<p>I agree Cornell is one of the best in the country and is generally well-regard by anybody including the elites. However, it’s reputation is tainted by its state schools…the elites who are familiar with the different universities know about them and see Cornell as less prestigious as a result. Of course, they won’t go around saying that as that would seem unprofessional and tactless (in fact they will say “wow, congrats” instead to your face for formality’s sake because it would be awkward if they just said “oh ok” when you’re expecting something more) but they do THINK it.</p>
<p>The elites are very highly educated as a group and understand that different trades are necessary for the world to go round. However, they don’t necessarily believe just because you’re in hotel school or ILR that academic standards should be lowered for you. I think that’s their biggest problem. Honestly, if you want to study labor, why not go to economics instead? Are there people highly qualified to go into econ who’d rather be stuck in an rigidly structured program that’s so singular in focus? I don’t think so.</p>
<p>And honestly, if you don’t care about what the elites think, then these points don’t matter. But the fact is that you DO care. The elites run everything and you have to please them to have access to power and social mobility.</p>
<p>that may be right and even if CAS at Cornell is the most prestigious and regarded because it is a liberal arts college like HYPS with cross applicants with those Universities does not make the state funded colleges at cornell any less solid. Yeah, there may be a lot of people who after hearing you go to cornell will immediately ask you what college and if you don’t say arts they may think less of you, but they are narrow minded people who don’t understand that the state colleges at cornell have their own excellent programs and are excellent in their own right.</p>
<p>Outsiders just want to get in and will regard Cornell highly because they have the highest chances of acceptance there…obviously they wouldn’t put it down just in case it’s their only top school option in the end, even if it’s ILR or whatever. Once they DO get in, then they will rate it even more positively, seeing it as comparable to CAS, and that’s where CAS students get annoyed.</p>
<p>Not sure that link backs up your claim, you had one solitary person, college unspecified, who was complaining about transfers from community colleges, irrespective of what cornell college they transferred into. He specifically complained aobut engineering transfers, for instance.</p>
<p>This “condescension towards the state schools” seems to be not so much in Ithaca itself, perhaps blown in from the west, more like.</p>
<p>i am not yet at cornell, but once i am, any posts i make about my feelings towards cornell will not be colored by the fact that it will be alma mater. if they rate it more positively after spending time at cornell, it’d be only be because all of the “cornell sucks” comments will have been proven wrong. most people are willing to be honest with regards to whether they’re enjoying a college or not. </p>
<p>um, these schools are all very specialized. if you want to work at a hotel or something, which makes more sense, going to CAS or the best hotel college in the country? i suppose when you’re working at a hotel or whatever years after graduation you can be like, “i went to Cornell CAS you know,” and i’m sure all of your fellow hotel people will be very impressed you went to a college that has nothing to do with your current job and did not help prepare you in any way. very, very impressed.</p>
<p>you do realize that hotel school and architecture both have mandatory face-to-face interviews? that’s hard to BS.
or do you only dislike ILR?</p>
<p>You only have 31 posts on this thing. Stay on here long enough and peruse other schools. You’ll see all the insecurities come out - from Harvard’s reputation for having a subpar undergrad experience and questionable admissions practices to all the ones I listed in my previous post.</p>
<p>You’re also putting WAY too much stock in admission rates, while not accounting for the fact that the size of a school (filling 13,000 seats with 35,000 applicants creates a much higher rate than filling 1,000 with about the same number of applicants), its relative popularity nationwide (Cornell isn’t a school everybody applies to just to see), and the specificity of its programs all impact those numbers, making those admit numbers somewhat irrelevant. I’m not sure Cornell’s education was any different when it admitted 30% as opposed to 18%.</p>
<p>As I said before - University of Chicago has a significantly higher admit rate than Cornell and College of the Ozarks has a significantly lower one. I’m not taking anything away from Brown - it’s an incredible institution and definitely more difficult to get into than Cornell for the average student - but its liberal arts focus is going to draw a much broader population than, for example, hotel administration or architecture.</p>
<p>Seriously - this notion you all have that Cornell’s reputation is dragged down by contract schools does not exist outside of high school, the first year or two of college, or ignorant people who would be candidates for Real Housewives. This is especially true at Cornell as people start taking more classes in different colleges, only to realize the contract and endowed students really aren’t different academically (with a few notable exceptions in the same vein as UPenn’s nursing program, for example). </p>
<p>The standards are not lowered, Chicagobaby. Different fields require different sets of skills. AGAIN, architecture students have the lowest average test scores but are world renown in their field and work their tails off while at Cornell. Why? Because taking a stupid test does not prove whether or not one can design a building. </p>
<p>Cornell’s figured it out. Hopefully someday you will too when you grow up, Chicagobaby.</p>
<p>Hotel and arts&planning are not state schools, and your theory does not apply to hotel school. It is true that hotelies aren’t as good as people in CAS academically-at least the traditional aspect of academic. But the top tier people you need to please in the hospitality industry are almost all Cornell hotel society members. It is the most active alum network among all colleges at Cornell. At the same time, CALS is highly respected and recognized as the best program by all veterinary schools.</p>
<p>I’m just warning you right now. Someone (SriMuppidi) made a similar thread like this and she got banned for her arrogance so you should watch the posts you make.</p>
<p>We say this to everyone, but I think in the end we know that the person won’t stop.
Probably someone who got rejected from ED and/or accepted somewhere else, just trying to vent out his/her anger at this very awesome college - the best, if I may say! :D</p>
<p>The test scores aren’t low among the architecture students, but for AAP as a whole yes, probably because of the art students. The architecture school at Cornell is extremely selective by the way… 5%-7% admit rate I think</p>
<p>hansy, yes, that is a good point. What a lot of people seem to forget here is that comparing cornell in terms of if stats to other ivys or top schools is not a good comparison. everyone knows that HYPS, Brown Dartmouth are ALL colleges of Liberal Arts and Sciences, only similar to Cornell’s College of Arts and Sciences. I don’t see many here applying to the state contracted and more specialized schools like CALS looking at HYPS. similarly, there are not many endowed Hotel school applicants looking at those colleges either. Comparisons can only be made with similar colleges. All of Cornell’s colleges are excellent and highly regarded. Yeah, I hear that many people at Cornell or at other colleges who hear you go to cornell will ask you this question first: which college? If the HYPS types look down on you because you are not in CAS at cornell, they are narrow minded. If any cornell kids look down on you because you wanted to study agriculture in cals, they are narrow minded, but I don’t think there are many like that at cornell. Yes, the kids at HYPS, Brown Dartmouth may be in arts & sciences colleges like cornell CAS. But for some a more specialized college is better. The traditional liberal arts curriculum that is offered at most of the ivys and cornell CAS, is not what the state contracted or hotel schools are about. They are much different and people know that coming in. There is nothing that is “less regarded” because kids in the specialized schools may have a higher admit rate or lower numbers. That is a function of the nature of the program. I think this whole cornell state colleges are worse or just as good as CAS thing is being put forth by either the kids in those state colleges who are insecure about it or by kids who could not gain admission to those state contracted colleges. with the insecurity thing and cornell, I do think that most other ivys don’t experience that. I see in the above post that someone says some students even complain about Harvard. I don’t think that is to the point that they have to justify going there, like seems to be going on with Cornell.
Bisori - your numbers are wrong: About admission stats, here is the link: Of the major colleges, it shows Arts and Sciences as definitely the most selective. AAP is similar, but not often talked about as there are not applicants in the several thousands and it is an extremely self selecting group.
there is also a link somewhere that shows CAS and engineering to have the highest board scores, but not by much.
anyway, the state contract colleges and other specialized colleges at cornell are not so much about numbers as they are interest, like agriculture, and talent, like hospitality skills
<a href=“http://www.dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000003.pdf[/url]”>http://www.dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000003.pdf</a></p>
<p>chicago2014baby, if you spent more time preparing for next semester and less time ■■■■■■■■ on other schoools’ boards, you’d probably have higher than a 2.7 at UChicago. A Cornell student with a 2.8 is going to be picked over you for every job, internship, grad school. So, get cracking on those books. ■■■■■■■■ this forum isn’t going to make you feel better in the long run and won’t make up for your own inadequacies.</p>
<p>“…seems to be going on with Cornell.”
It seems to be, on CC the last week or so.
Because some people with few CC posts are strolling in and making assertions such as the title of this thread, while denying that they are ■■■■■■.
This is really not a huge ongoing issue at Cornell, after it, or even on CC generally.</p>