Creating a possible schedule for Fall....the new undergrad catalog 2010-12

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<p>Undergrad catalog for 2010 - 12 [University</a> of Alabama Undergraduate Catalog 2010-12](<a href=“http://catalogs.ua.edu/catalog10/]University”>http://catalogs.ua.edu/catalog10/)</p>

<p>Side note: Engineering knows that its sequencing needs to change to reflect its newly announced Freshmen Engineering Program. The new courses are listed in the course listings (towards the bottom of the Table of Contents), but the semester by semester sequencing needs to be updated online. </p>

<p>As many prepare for Bama Bound, some are asking about registering for classes, they will find the above link very useful. </p>

<p>Bama also has that online program - Degree Works - that figures the sequence for you. [Finish</a> in Four - The University of Alabama](<a href=“http://www.ua.edu/finishinfour/]Finish”>http://www.ua.edu/finishinfour/) </p>

<p>Maybe someone who is an incoming freshman (or parent) can go into mybama and click on Degree Works and see if it can be used at this point for an incoming freshman.</p>

<p>Advisors will soon become obsolete - replaced by technology - only needed for very unusual circumstances.</p>

<p>If the requirement for a suggested course has already been satisfied by an AP/IB course or placement testing, then the student can repeat the course, move on to the higher level, take a course for a minor (ex: CBH), or take a fun class.</p>

<p>For example…</p>

<p>If you’re a pre-business major, you’d follow this sequence…</p>

<p>FRESHMAN YEAR</p>

<p>First Semester<br>
Courses…Credit Hours
Fine arts elective 3
EC 110 3
EN 101 3
GBA 145 1
MATH 112 3
History elective* 3
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<p>Second Semester<br>
Courses …Credit Hours
EC 111 3
EN 102 3
MATH 121 or MATH 125 3
Free elective (MIS 200 for General Business Majors) 3
Natural science elective 4
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<p>FRESHMAN YEAR
First Semester … Credit Hours</p>

<p>CH 101 General Chemistry I (N) 4
EN 101 English Composition I (FC) 3
MATH 125 Calculus I (MA) 4
Humanities (HU), literature (L), or fine arts (FA) elective or
history (HI) and/or social and behavioral sciences (SB) elective1 3
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<p>Example: First Year of Lower Division Nursing Req’ts</p>

<p>FRESHMAN YEAR
Fall Semester …Credit Hours
CH 104 Introductory Chemistry with lab (N) 4
EN 101 English Composition I (FC) 3
PY 101 Introduction to Psychology (SB) 3
NUR 102 Introduction to Professional Nursing 1
Fine Arts (FA) 3
HD 101 Human Development (SB) 3
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<p>NOTE: NUR 102 is not a required course and will not be considered in Upper Division promotion.</p>

<p>Spring Semester… Credit Hours
CH 105 Introductory Organic Chemistry with lab (N) 4
EN 102 English Composition II (FC) 3
MATH 110 Finite Mathematics or higher math course (MA) 3
*History (HI) 3
CS 102 Microcomputer Applications 3
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<p>I would paste an engineering sequence, but they’re being revised to include the new Freshman engineering program.</p>

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<p>To get an idea of what a first year Mech E student would take…</p>

<p>Fall Semester</p>

<p>Course…credit hours</p>

<p>CH 101 - 4 – General Chemistry
ENGR 111 - 1 – Providing an overview to the engineering profession
ME 121 - 1 – This is the new Intro to ME course
ENGR 131 - 1 – Replaces GES 131 - 1 three-hour lab of hands-on activities.
ENGR 151 - 1 – This is the new version of DR 100 - the basics of graphical communication.
MATH 125 - 4 – Cal I
EN 101 - 3 – Freshman Comp </p>

<p>Spring Semester</p>

<p>Course…Credit hours</p>

<p>PH 105 - 4 – Physics with Cal I
ENGR 141 - 1 – new version of GES 132
ENGR 161 - 1 – new 3D cad course
MATH 126 - 4 – Cal II
EN 102 - 3 – Freshman Comp II
Core Req’t - 3 – (to be determined)</p>

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<p>So there will still be a general overview engineering course, as well as the intro to mech eng course?</p>

<p>So glad to hear this.</p>

<p>I guess the CBH kids will take the first CBH course instead of Eng comp. Do you have to take Eng comp freshman year? Son has AP credit for the first semester, but don’t see where he’ll be able to fit the second semester in with engineering and CBH. I’m guessing this is where summer school comes into the picture.</p>

<p>Oops, never mind. I see where it goes. The core requirement. Thank you, Bama, for being so generous with AP credit!</p>

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<p>For the non-engineering courses (including math), the engineering student does have some flexibility. Math is interesting because their are calculus sections primarily reserved for engineers even though the material is the same for every calculus section. Engineers are free to take the non-engineering calculus sections if they so desire.</p>

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<p>*Oops, never mind. I see where it goes. The core requirement. Thank you, Bama, for being so generous with AP credit! *</p>

<p>Montegut, I’m not sure what you mean by the above. What do see where it goes? </p>

<p>IF your son will come in with credit for Cal I, then he could take English Comp II in that slot. Or, he could take English Comp II in the summer at a CC (check first for transferability).</p>

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<p>wonder how long until they update the Engineering (incl. Comp. Sci.) sequence online? Guess it doesn’t hurt to try this right now, but with the new requirements it could change quite a bit - no?</p>

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<p>wow -
already just checking the first thing, the AP credits are updated to reflect the new engineering courses and DSs AP credit hours earned for AP Comp Sci are increased!</p>

<p>Been using the AP schedule on the website - definitely use this one directly from the new catalog.</p>

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<p>^^^
I see that they increased the AP Comp Sci A to 5 credits for the 2010 catalog. (the online one that you were looking at before was probably within the online 2008 catalog)</p>

<p>*wonder how long until they update the Engineering (incl. Comp. Sci.) sequence online? Guess it doesn’t hurt to try this right now, but with the new requirements it could change quite a bit - no? *</p>

<p>Are you talking about the sequence that is online in the 2010 catalog? or elsewhere? </p>

<p>I asked about the online 2010 catalog sequencing, and it sounded like it won’t get changed because it’s “final” as it is (and Eng’g didn’t get their changes approved in time to get them in the 2010 catalog (which seems to have had a “final” publish date.)</p>

<p>Engineering will have the sequences available before Bama Bound, but I’m not sure how people will get them. I don’t know if they’ll get sent out, put on the engineering website (which is down now) or what.</p>

<p>I would email Dr. Cordes and ask about how you’ll get the new sequences. Be sure to mention the area of engineering that your child will be studying. He’ll probably ask the person who knows the new sequencing for that area to email it to you. That’s how I got the new MechE sequencing that I listed above.</p>

<p>David Cordes, PhD
<a href=“mailto:cordes@cs.ua.edu”>cordes@cs.ua.edu</a>
Professor and Department Head, Department of Computer Science
Director, Freshman Engineering Program
The University of Alabama
Tuscaloosa, AL 35487-0290
205-348-6363</p>

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<p>Thanks^
I emailed but on looking at it and comparing to other engineering disciplines, it looks like Comp. Sci may be updated in the catalog. It is requiring some of those 1 credit courses which I don’t see yet in (for example) Electrical Engineering.
DegreeWorks doesn’t reflect it so that is kind of useless right now, but having the catalog current should do the trick.</p>

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<p>I don’t think the changes will get submitted to Degree Works until all Eng’g disciplines are finalized. They probably aren’t thinking that incoming students/families might be trying to use Degree Works at this point.</p>

<p>Wow…that’s kind of light first year schedule…Very nice for an incoming freshman!!! I like that. Not too many hours required, and if you have a decent number of AP credits, it seems like a student could easily fit in a minor.</p>

<p>If you add the 1 credit for Alabama Action or OA, the first semester would be 14 credits. I think I would try to get that 1 credit of AA or OA added to the second semester so I would have the option of taking another class that semester w/o over charges…something easy and fun…but something to “up my credits” for registration purposes.</p>

<p>COMPUTER SCIENCE Curriculum
FRESHMAN YEAR
First Semester…Credit Hours</p>

<p>CS 121 The Discipline of Computing… 1
CS 150 Programming I … 2
CS 160 Computer Science Concepts … 1
EN 101 English Composition I (FC) … 3
ENGR 111 Engineering the Future … 1
ENGR 131 Eng’g Concepts & Design I … 1</p>

<h2>MATH 125 Calculus I (MA) … 4</h2>

<p>…13</p>

<p>Second Semester<br>
CS 250 Programming II (C) … 2
CS 260 Foundations of Computer Science … 3
EN 102 English Composition II (FC) … 3
ENGR 141 Engineering Concepts & Design II … 1
ENGR 151 Fundamental Engineering Graphics or
ART 131 Design II (3 hours) … 1</p>

<h2>MATH 126 Calculus II (MA) … 4</h2>

<p>…14</p>

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<p>BTW…</p>

<p>For those who need the Core Req’t…try to take Philosophy Honors (or non honors) Deductive Logic. My son will be a TA again for the labs. Even if your child isn’t assigned to my son, he is willing to help when needed. He often gets kids sitting in his lab section who aren’t supposed to be there just because he’s patient and a good “tutor” for what they didn’t understand.</p>

<p>It’s an excellent “thinking” class. I might recommend taking the non-honors version unless the student needs the “honors credit”. I’ll ask my son, but I think the only difference is that honors have to pass one additional test.</p>

<p>The best profs for this class are Torin Alter (awesome!) and Chase Wrenn (also nice, but a bit quirky - but that makes things interesting). Avoid Stuart Rachels at all cost for any Philosophy class. There are other Phil profs that are good, but I don’t know if they teach that class.</p>

<p>BTW…kids can retake tests that they don’t do well in this class. I can’t remember if they can retake a test once or twice. Also, the neat thing is…once you’re done taking all the needed tests, you’re totally done with the class and don’t have to attend anymore. Some kids get done with all tests by about midway thru the semester - which frees their time up for the rest of their classes. :)</p>

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<p>How do you know when to do honors on these classes or non-honors???</p>

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<p>degree works is handy for incoming students because it shows you the credits you have coming in and where they apply.</p>

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<p>Bamafana, selecting an honors section or going with the non-honors section is up to each student. The Honors College recommends that a student take no more than one or two honors classes per semester. Departmental honors classes are at the 100 or 200 levels (traditionally). The ones offered by the Honors College go from the 100 to 400 levels.</p>

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<p>Mike -
how did it have your incoming credits already? - AP I assume. Or did you have to input those in a what/if scenario or something?</p>

<p>Mom2k - I thought the Comp. Sci. schedule looked pretty light also, esp. when you figure in AP credits. DS is hoping to coordinate a second major, has an email convo going with David Cordes. Unless I’m missing something it looks very doable.</p>

<p>I’m sure he’ll ask Prof. Cordes, but what is the general logic for those with AP credits, like if you place out of English Comp 1 and 2, do they usually just go into the next required English then or wait until when it appears on the suggested schedule the following year?</p>

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<p>^^^
Hate to jump in on this one but in response to the mike one if your child got their ap scores sent to the school on their previous AP exams from sophomore and junior year then those classes will already appear on there.</p>

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<p>my kid has both AP credit and DUAL credit.</p>

<p>when you go to degreeworks, it shows you there that certain credits have alread been fulfilled and with what.</p>

<p>pretty handy!</p>

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<p>*
Mom2k - I thought the Comp. Sci. schedule looked pretty light also, esp. when you figure in AP credits. DS is hoping to coordinate a second major, has an email convo going with David Cordes. Unless I’m missing something it looks very doable.</p>

<p>I’m sure he’ll ask Prof. Cordes, but what is the general logic for those with AP credits, like if you place out of English Comp 1 and 2, do they usually just go into the next required English then or wait until when it appears on the suggested schedule the following year? *</p>

<p>I think a doing a minor or two minors is very do-able. </p>

<p>Has Dr. Cordes said how double majors are handled if the second major in in another college (such as A&S)?</p>

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<p>In looking closer at the Comp Sci schedule, and I assume this affects all Engineering also, it looks light because those 1 and 2 credit courses really jack things up as far as not going over the allotted scholarship credit hours. For example, with the 14 ours, not like you can move on up to the next level of courses (3 credits each) and stay within your limit. Complicates things further with OA and AP credits.</p>

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<p>For example, with the 14 ours, not like you can move on up to the next level of courses (3 credits each) and stay within your limit.* Complicates things further** with OA and AP credits. *</p>

<p>If you have certain AP credits then you can put in other classes in those spots (such as Frosh Comp)</p>

<p>I’m not sure what you mean by not being able to move on up and stay within your limits. With AP credits you can.</p>

<p>And, some do put the OA credit into spring.</p>

<p>What is complicated with AP credits?</p>

<p>COMPUTER SCIENCE Curriculum
FRESHMAN YEAR
First Semester…Credit Hours</p>

<p>CS 121 The Discipline of Computing… 1
CS 150 Programming I … 2
CS 160 Computer Science Concepts … 1
EN 101 English Composition I (FC) … 3
ENGR 111 Engineering the Future … 1
ENGR 131 Eng’g Concepts & Design I … 1</p>

<h2>MATH 125 Calculus I (MA) … 4</h2>

<p>… …13</p>

<p>Second Semester
CS 250 Programming II (C) … 2
CS 260 Foundations of Computer Science … 3
EN 102 English Composition II (FC) … 3
ENGR 141 Engineering Concepts & Design II … 1
ENGR 151 Fundamental Engineering Graphics or
ART 131 Design II (3 hours) … 1</p>

<h2>MATH 126 Calculus II (MA) … 4</h2>

<p>… …14</p>