curious think happened today...

<p>This whole thread is beginning to look more like a middle school playground. Who really cares!</p>

<p>Flyboy, your erudition astounds.</p>

<p>I came upon this forum through The News-Letter site, and as friend of an editor of the paper, I have two things to say. One, after reading Admissions Daniel’s comments, I would have to agree with Go Blue Jays that it is insulting and surprising that an admissions rep and employee of Hopkins would be so down on the only student-run newspaper on campus. They are a hard working organization, and they don’t deserve that sort of unfounded back-handed comment, especially when Admissions Daniel has no evidence to go off of.</p>

<p>Secondly, as a response to 10310319, who claims that this isn’t a big deal because his roommate is a writer for the paper, I’d have to disagree with your friend’s position to comment. Though he writes for the paper, that does not in any way make him qualified to say if he is insulted by that comment or not. Writing for this paper is not like being an editor. Editors put a great deal more of their time than staff writers do into this paper, and thus they have much more invested in the paper’s image, and they work hard to upkeep its image. An immense and unspeakable amount of effort goes into getting this paper put out every week, and as someone who closely knows an editor, I could see this being hurtful. </p>

<p>I think that most people on this forum have overlooked the real reason for the fuss over this post. Yes, it does seem petty to be making such a big deal over a small allegedly off-hand comment that an admissions officer had made, but as Admissions Daniel himself has picked up, small comments (such as that of Dean Conley’s) do count. I do think it is unwise for an admissions officer to be so unthinking in the posts he makes, and I think it is insulting and degrading to the general student populace that he would put down the university’s only student-run paper, and essentially, the voice of the students. It isn’t right, and it isn’t in keeping with his job mission. If he would like to post on this forum as an individual, that is fine, but he should not post under a name that implies the name of the university behind it. </p>

<p>Admissions Daniel, I agree with Go Blue Jays, you do owe The News-Letter an apology for that comment.</p>

<p>It is probably unwise for me to get into this interesting debate. As an applicant, I’m not even qualified to do so becos I’m still trying to figure out what college admissions really is, let alone the role an admission officer should play. But as a former participant of this thread I feel to say something. The reason of my courage to do so is that CC is not meant to be a place for making serious public statements, and being anonymous helps free the mind and any consequences. On CC, I tend to loosen up and say things I would otherwise not say in person or in formal communication becos I can always disappear as I wish from any attacks! I also do not believe in everything said on CC but in some rare instances, participants like GoBlueJay do add a breeze of good info on schools like JHU and UChicago in his postings, with a passion.</p>

<p>AdDaniels is another rare poster who worths my attention. Unlike many Coll Rep on CC who are anonymous, foremost he put up his real identity which adds credibility to his comments related to JHU admission. Although sometimes his response is not as direct as I’d like, such as whether fin aid affects one’s chance of admission (which I think he’s going in circles for whatever reason), I have been getting valuable info from him and my reg counselor, as well as from Interactive. JH Interactive is by far the most responsive, and organized, admission forum of the 8 schools I’m applying to. My only regret on Interactive is that it cruelly lets us wait until the end of Mar for our decisions!</p>

<p>A real identity makes it easy to hold one responsible for one’s words, while the rest of us having “fake” IDs do not have to be responsible for anything. Not exactly a level playing field. Let CC be what it is, a place of no more than exchanges of thoughts, opinions, or pure BS, whether intelligent or stupid, intentional or unintentional, truthful or untruthful, right or wrong, from all partipants, real or unreal.</p>

<p>At first , this may have seemed a “trivial matter”, but now it has, thanks to all previous posters, and further reconsideration on my part, taken on larger proportions.</p>

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<p>This is very true, and I am asking for an unqualified apology from admissionsdaniel on this thread, to the Newsletter, and its staff.</p>

<p>Quactet2020 also said:</p>

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<p>I agree. I don’t think Hopkins would like to officially see this. </p>

<p>I did look up Collegeconfidential’s terms of service about college admissions officers. From my interpretation of the legalese, 2 ways are allowed by CC to post as an admissions officer.</p>

<p>The first is to officially say you are an adcom member from XYZ college, and submit credentials that CC accepts. Then the adcom member can state he/she is a rep from XYZ college, and this is what XYZ college thinks. </p>

<p>The 2d way is to post anonymously,and not state they are an adcom member , only to give their expertise anonymously. Quactet2020 suggests admissionsdaniel do so this 2d way, and from my standpoint, that would be acceptable. At least in that way, his negative and unfounded comments about the Newsletter would not appear to have had the Hopkins seal of approval. If he does still continue to post as admissionsdaniel, there should be a statement from JHU confirming that his statements on CC are condoned by Hopkins.</p>

<p>However, admissionsdaniel obviously posts as adcom member of Hopkins, as indicated by his remarks, and also by the “college rep” moniker by his name. Now , although that would be allowable by CC, presuming his credentials were verified and are current, I believe this is NOT ALLOWABLE from Hopkins’ point of view. On all of JHU’s websites, there is no statement that the comments made on CC by admissionsdaniel are approved by JHU.</p>

<p>Look at admissionsdaniel’s own quote:</p>

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<p>This is clear and overt evidence that Hopkins has NOT approved of any of his comments, or has condoned them.</p>

<p>So now we have someone who is operating under the Hopkins aegis without its approval,and is publicly maligning one of its own institutions. This has caused significant ill will among the alumni, and by his remarks, has caused some potential students and parents to negatively view Hopkins right before acceptance letters are sent out.</p>

<p>As a dues paying and contributing alumnus, I am appalled at this unacceptable situation. This is *not * the image that Hopkins wants to present. </p>

<p>I have stated multiple times that Johns Hopkins is a superb institution and a top notch place to learn and develop as a student. I have supported Dean Conley’s remarks. I obviously highly recommend Johns Hopkins.</p>

<p>I also recognize that admissionsdaniel may have helped out a lot of worried parents and applicants, and I would like that effort to continue, albeit anonymously. He certainly still has internet presence on other websites, and thus, changing his CC status to being anonymous would not impinge on the help he can give to parents and applicants. However, in deference to quactet2020 and likeminded students, I do not see how he can continue to post as one who seemingly has the approval of JHU.</p>

<p>I would like to return as soon as possible, to more constructive college admissions discussions.</p>

<p>GoBlueJays: congratulations. You have dropped my preference for JHU from tied for 1st to last. If it produces people like you, good riddance. You have essentially done nothing but grab onto typos to question the intelligences of those who are trying to equate this situation fairly.</p>

<p>Regarding your original arguments about AdmissionsDaniel, you’re making things up. When I read, “It’s a JHU News-Letter article … nothing really to say about that,” all I saw was that your question “what do you think?” was to vague to merit a further response. Also, you seem to be offended that he said to question the source, which he clearly explained was part of his ordinary “media philosophy” and from his previous experience with the News Letter. From these two mundane seeds, you have sprouted a sisyphean argument that AdmissionsDaniel is somehow trying to disparage the university and its students right before decisions.</p>

<p>I don’t ordinarily like to feed ■■■■■■, but I want to voice my support for AdmissionsDaniel who is voluntarily giving you an insider’s look into the admission’s office, whether it is official or not. What do expect on an internet forum? Why does it even matter that his statements are condoned by the university? He is after all on the front lines of admissions.</p>

<p>You say that he epitomizes the image that Johns Hopkins does NOT want to present. What would that be?
*Goes above and beyond what is required
*Is brutally honest about facts
*Loyal to the admissions office and the university</p>

<p>Now, I’m assuming you are portraying Hopkins fairly?
*hijacking another person’s thread
*demanding an apology for your own temperament
*insulting anyone who disagrees with you</p>

<p>Now, is it surprising that JHU is “losing” students to other schools of equal caliber? It doesn’t matter what admissions and the university do to maintain its image when alumni like you go on a tirade and ruin the school for applicants like me.</p>

<p>Oh, and by the way, if you were going to insult me by saying opinions so mailable by pixels on a computer screen weren’t so valuable in the first place…well I think you might need to reconsider whether you truly love Hopkins or not.</p>

<p>A little mom advice - Ignore the tantrum, vacate this thread.</p>

<p>bsdber210</p>

<p>If you don’t want to come to Hopkins, and it’s all because of me, please email daniel NOW to withdraw your application, so Hopkins doesn’t waste any more time on you. Include in that email that it’s all because of my comments .Why don’t you show us all that you back up your words with concrete actions, I mean it, go ahead. And thank you.</p>

<p>Scary to think someone who can type all that would be applying to ANY college ,let alone JHU. Actually I think this thread commotion is good, it weeds out the bad students who wouldn’t survive a day after orientation week at Hopkins.</p>

<p>And amazing that anyone who could type the things that gobluejay types could have graduated from one, let alone JHU.</p>

<p>Well said, momof2boyz.</p>

<p>Ignore GBJ, he/she is a ■■■■■.</p>

<p>I wish all students and parents reading this thread the best of luck in the admissions process.</p>

<p>without devolving to calling one another “■■■■■■”? That word really bugs me when not earned. GoBlueJays is a JHU alum, states, dissects and argues his point (?legal profession) and this appears to be his temperament. Still, I object to him being referred to as a ■■■■■ just because he does not share a majority opinion and is zealous in his demands in defense of the JHU Newsletter or JHU itself.</p>

<p>I don’t want America to become a police state where the party line is what flies. Debate needs to be done with civility, thought and yes, not demandingly, but lack of debate, imho, would be far worse.</p>

<p>I’m calling it a day on this thread. I hope applicants are successful in their desires in two weeks, and I wish nothing but the best for JHU, it’s alumni and students.</p>

<p>In fairness to GoBlueJay…he is not the one calling names or taking the debate to the lowest level. In fairness to Admin Daniel, he too kept his response above board.</p>

<p>I disagree with you GBJ. I see your point, but feel like the benefit of having an actual adcom rep on the board is more valuable than having an anonymous authority. Go to the tufts board and look at a thread called “Decision Date” or something like that (started by hoping4duke). you will see the value of having an identified rep on the message boards. If his opinions do not represent Hopkins well, I at least hope he is factual. We could go back and forth on this to no avail however.</p>

<p>Giveherwingsmom has it right.</p>

<p>I for one and more concerned that JHU does not validate parking for visiting students doing interviews. It seems cold and unwelcoming. Admis-daniels presence here adds some humanity that I kind of felt was lacking at the school. Just my humble opinion, but one reason for students choosing other schools over JHU might have something to do with the campus ‘feel’ more than the schools reputation and ranking.</p>

<p>I think the Newsletter still deserves a significant apology.</p>

<p>IMontoya, thank you for being civil , but we don’t need an admissions officer who is so ready to dismiss the student’s only independent voice, no matter how warm and fuzzy he seems to be on this thread. And his “opinions” ( actually, allegations is more like it ) are not valid…I dare anyone to actually show the proof of the alleged misquote.</p>

<p>I would be surprised if there was nobody at the JHU Newsletter who is reading this thread with interest. I myself am surprised that admissionsdaniel might not have thought this out when he posted his “disclaimer” that said nothing.</p>

<p>I think it’s important to stand up for the Newsletter. Compare the students who write on that, their opinions, the construction of their arguments, and compare it to the posts by the “students” on this thread…now, whose voice is clearer, and more deserving of emphasis ?</p>

<p>“I think it’s important to stand up for the Newsletter. Compare the students who write on that, their opinions, the construction of their arguments, and compare it to the posts by the “students” on this thread…now, whose voice is clearer, and more deserving of emphasis ?”</p>

<p>You’re comparing a newspaper to a forum. That’s a silly comparison. </p>

<p>“I think the Newsletter still deserves a significant apology.”</p>

<p>If the Newsletter isn’t asking for an apology, who are you to demand it receive one? </p>

<p>For a benign comment that AdmissionsDaniel posted, this has been blown out of proportion.</p>

<p>sozo91,</p>

<p>Who are* you * to decide it was a benign comment ? What if I’d said that I’d suggest that people strongly reconsider any claims you might have to any vestige of intelligence…benign enough for you? Why do people such as yourself so easily excuse others when you haven’t been the one slandered?</p>

<p>And how would you know the Newsletter isn’t going to be asking for an apology? </p>

<p>Tell you what, thanks for your help, I don’t want an apology from daniel… now I only want daniel to stop saying he represents JHU, go blog anonymously, where he freely can trample on as many institutions as he wants.</p>

<p>GoBlueJays, I’m not getting into a debate with you.</p>