<p>Look at the other stuff on the links, such as average sat scores and gpa. They are incredibly close, and any difference is actually statistically insignificant. I never said that admit rate is the only determining factor in the quality of the school, but factors such as avg gpa and sat1/2 definetely help determine the quality of the student body and therefore the school.</p>
<p>Cal students have an avg GPA of 4.19. UCLA.. 4.10. That's pretty big.</p>
<p>Berkeley is good because of the academics, and college is mainly for academics.</p>
<p>haha is that saracsm when you say "that's pretty big?"</p>
<p>The difference between a 4.1 and 4.19 is big.</p>
<p>By your standards, a 4.0 is merely twice as good as a 2.0, and an impressive 5.0 is 1.25 times as good as a 4.0.</p>
<p>A GPA's value, as percieved by college adcom and is not at all linear with the actual numerical value of the GPA. The equation below probably shows the relationship between GPA and "Value" of GPA. </p>
<p>(my personal assessment when dealing with colleges and businesses) </p>
<p>V=k(G)^3 where k is a constant.</p>
<p>Cal: k(4.19)^3 = 73.5k
LA: k(4.19)^3 68.9k</p>
<p>That's probably accurate, since a person's mind perception.</p>
<p>*cringes
Awwww....ttg-dude, you're terrible! lol</p>
<p>'Hey guys, can I play too?' Honestly, let's all just pause and reflect for a moment: let's not make ourselves supercilious wanks before we even get there.</p>
<p>no, because I am going to graduate from Berkeley, not UCLA. I repeat, I am going to have a Berkeley degree. (UCLA has no architecture major at the undgergrad level, anyways....neither does Stanford....at any level).</p>
<p>Cal Football is the poo. Enough said. There is no day like Game Days. You will experience nothing of the like at UCLA.</p>
<p>Better social life here, in my opinion. Don't get too excited about Westwood, its a beautiful place, but nothing beats the city. Frats here for the most part are more chill than at UCLA or especially USC.</p>
<p>sorry, i didn't understand your equations at all</p>
<p>No, I don't regret it in the least.</p>
<p>As for the comparison of the schools, you are right that the difference in the quality of the student body isn't huge. However, one doesn't learn from one's fellow students. The actual school is considered better, in terms of professors and research. Most individual departments rank in the top 10, and many in the top 3. Berkeley grad school is as good as ANY in the world, and that's the source of GSIs. </p>
<p>Of course, it mostly depends on the student himself. You can certainly get just as good an education at UCLA or any reasonable school.</p>
<p>I dunno. If all goes well, I'll end up learning even more outside of the classroom. People are so incredibly crazy...</p>
<p>well u can never regret because u don't know how it would have been if u chose the other school.</p>
<p>"sorry, i didn't understand your equations at all"</p>
<p>My equations were formulated to relate the two variables:</p>
<p>1)GPA's numerical value. Same as raw, weighed GPA
2)The GPA's PERCIEVED prestige as viewed from a layman or adcom.</p>
<p>The the GPA's numerical value is the independent variable and the GPA's prestige is the dependent variable. (The Y variable always shows the dependent variable; the x variable depicts the independent variable.)</p>
<p>y=k (x)^3 </p>
<p>where k is a constant. </p>
<p>Get it now?</p>
<p>Bubbles, where in the world did you get 4.19 for Cal and 4.10 for LA? Can't you read? I'm surprised that you can come up with those equations when you can't even read a simple chart. The average GPA for BOTH LA and Cal is 4.17. More info is below:</p>
<p>UCLA:
Admit Rate Overall: 23.0%
Admits: 9,949
Applicants: 43,261
ELC Student Admit Rate: 50.2%
California Residents (% of admits): 88.8% </p>
<p>Averages
High School GPA: 4.17
ACT Composite Score: 28
SAT I Score: 1353
SAT II Math (1C and 2C) Score: 694
SAT II Writing Score: 680 </p>
<p>Berkeley:
Admit Rate Overall: 24.71%
Admits: 9,040
Applicants: 36,666
ELC Student Admit Rate: 61.1%
California Residents (% of admits): 87.1% </p>
<p>Averages
High School GPA: 4.17
ACT Composite Score: 28
SAT I Score: 1359
SAT II Math (1C and 2C) Score: 696
SAT II Writing Score: 682 </p>
<p>As you can see, the differences are insignificant. Case closed.</p>
<p>Berkeley UNDERGRAD isn't "really" completely comparable to HYPMS in terms of prestige or attention from faculty, but it certainly is equivalent in nearly every program in terms of academic rigor, assignments, and content; Not to mention that grades are far more deflated (in order to maintain a level of status likely). You take classes with the same faculty the grad students do. Nearly every course I took used the same exact textbook as the same course at MIT/Harvard/Stanford and it was written by the Professor and was used across the nation. Many of the faculty wrote the textbook while they were teaching at HYPMS. If you look up a general CS class syllabus, and sample work at MIT/Stanford and Cal you'll see they all use the same Structure and Interpretation of Programming. The neurobio books are almost all the same as well. Everyone at the top uses Kandel ( Columbia Med students use the same textbook as MCB 160). You Take Phil of mind or language you use Searle's books by Searle who teaches it. AI Modern approach written by Russell and Norvig (of google and from Stanford) but Russell is the instructor. I had all of these professors for my undergrad career and they're absolutely the leaders in their field and teach the class the same as when they teach at HYPSM. (I was actually outraged when I looked at a general psych class taught by Pinker at Harvard and saw how ridiculously easy it was compared to our class at Cal <we used="" his="" book="">
So yes it's not as hard to be admitted, the variance in admittees is greater, it doesn't hold the public consensus of the upper crust of undergraduate education (it definitely does for graduate work) but the coursework and faculty are totally comparable if not more difficult because class sizes are often ridiculous and grades are deflated. So take a couple CS, Philosophy, Math/Chem/MCB classes at Cal and then tell me how the faculty, workload and amount of information you learn is so very inferior to the all mighty alliance of the HYPMS club.</we></p>
<p>:)</p>
<p>"where in the world did you get 4.19 for Cal and 4.10 for LA?"
UCOP. They are the arbiters, not Berkeley and LA. if you notice, every single UC counts the avg. admit stats, but it's the stats of the matriculating class that actually matters. A college might accept people with high GPA's, but whats the point if fewer good people actually accept.</p>
<p>The difference between LA and Cal is still significant in terms of anything that matters.</p>
<p>Bubbles, can you provide the links for the sites that you got your (false) info from? By the way, I got my info from the UC site, not from LA or Berk.</p>
<p>Looks like last years stats.</p>
<p>What do you care, anyway?</p>