<p>Hello, in an earlier post, when you said that you were an independent student (paying for college on your own), what did you mean?</p>
<p>Wow, i wish more undergrad’s would take time to this for us. It’s much appreciated Hellodocks.</p>
<p>My question is:</p>
<p>Are you paying full room and board to be at Stern? If so, was your FAFSA estimated family contribution that high (60k)? My EFC is around 12K, and im wondering how much NYU will take that # into account knowing their financial aid isn’t great.</p>
<p>I was wondering how financial aid is for the second year at Stern. My son is a freshman in Stern and is doing well. He has a chance to get A’s in all his classes first semester. But I’m concerned that the financial aid package we got 1st year could change. Any ideas if they try to give you the same scholarship as the previous year. My son got a pretty good package, but it will be hard to pay next year if it’s different.</p>
<p>@3coolcats
I meant that I’m someone who’s legally independent and someone whose parents are not supporting him in school. I work on-campus, off-campus, participate in OCR with bulge bracket firms, and take 18 credits a semester. That’s what I meant.</p>
<p>@IB
No. My EFC was somewhere in the high $20s, if I recall correctly. I think for this academic year, the total bill was $61,000 something and the amount they asked from me was $36,000. That seems to be a common trend among the kids I talk to, so for you I’d simply say expect to pay about 1.2-1.5x as much as your EFC is (not a hard-and-fast rule).</p>
<p>@Charger
I don’t believe aid packages fluctuate that much. The difference between my first and second year packages was pretty minimal, and I believe it reflected the changing inflation and interest rates in the market. I think it was something to the tune of $3,000 or so.</p>
<p>That was another question that you touched on, if you could further elaborate. So I understand that partying isn’t a very big thing in the dorm, which I think is a good thing for me (I don’t do much of that myself). How’s the peer pressure for alcohol/drugs at Stern? Would someone be able to get by without partying yet still be able to make friends?</p>
<p>Thanks for your replies!</p>
<p>It’s definitely harder simply because there are so few people with that kind of courage. I don’t drink or smoke. I have quite a few friends, some that I share an incredibly close relationship with. However, there are definitely things I don’t get invited to do/don’t choose to do or times I’ll simply not even bother trying to hang out because everyone else doing something nuts.</p>
<p>It’s weird at first. People think you’re some kind of lunatic for choosing to abstain, and there’s a phase of rejection. Then once they realize you’re still chill and down for whatever, it gets better, but all in all you’ll probably miss out on quite a few things because of your choices. It balanced out for me though, because I’m so mind-numbingly busy with school and work that I wouldn’t even have the time to waste if I wanted to. I guess I’ve kind of cultivated a ‘way too serious for his age’ mantra within my friend circle, but it’s okay with me. If I come out of undergrad and make stupid bank because I worked my ass off in school, I’ll party when I’m paid. I’m not finna do something stupid now that will affect me later.</p>
<p>That’s for NYU in general. Stern isn’t that much different, except that there I think more kids will be understanding than in the other schools; they have an appreciation for the workload you have while the kids in CAS/LSP/Tisch don’t understand why you’re pulling two allnighters in the same week or you’re coming in at 4am from studying when they are from clubbing.</p>
<p>One thing to note though is that in the very brolic, male-dominated, testosterone-ridden world of finance, when you’re banging out 100-hour work weeks the most common and only acceptable social outlet is the ‘models and bottles’ lifestyle. If you don’t drink, it’s hard to do anything with the bros from the office.</p>
<p>I just have a few questions (thanks in advance for answering. much appreciated)</p>
<p>the first year, how many classes (in total) would a typical stern student have? also, what non-stern courses do you have to take for grad requirements?</p>
<p>is it difficult to do a double major? i want to go into statistics very much, but the admissions office recommends doing a double major if you want to do that. i was thinking economics. do many people do the statistics/economics thing?</p>
<p>are classes very difficult? i am a person who does her work well and ahead of time always. never procrastinated in high school. but i am concerned about keeping up with the workload at stern. how did that work for you personally?</p>
<p>thanks again</p>
<p>You have a fair point, I didn’t mean exactly to abstain from drinking (I wouldn’t mind having one once in a while), but you make a good point. It seems that both of us are pretty similar in this fashion, as already most of my friends regard me as ‘over mature’ and ‘too serious’, but I really don’t mind because I have a group of friends that are really close and understand the choices I make as well, but as long as I know that such a group of people exists, it’s good.</p>
<p>What would you really do in your spare time, when you don’t really have work (if that even exists)?</p>
<p>Thank you so much!It’s really helpful to hear a current student’s word.</p>
<p>I apply for stern ED1
I’m an Asian.International F1 student.
Though My GPA isn’t that high(about 3.6) and my CR sucks(540),my Math is 800.SAT MATH LEVEL 2 is 790 and AP Cal AB is 5(typical asian kid)…
And I got a creatively done essay.</p>
<p>Overall,I guess I got a chance. It makes me feel so better after reading your thread cuz several days ago someone told me that the median score for stern is 1440,but you say that 1400+ is very competitive. So,I have more confidence now.</p>
<p>The notification will come out soon.I’m really nervous.
Hope I can get in.
Hope I can meet you in stern and be your friend. Haha</p>
<p>Best wishes to us.</p>
<p>Hey docks, I was wondering in your opinion is it worth attending Stern if you were to major in marketing? I have heard that marketing majors make a good amount of money, obviously not as much as finance majors.</p>
<p>Hey docks, thanks so much for this thread, its given me tons of info. </p>
<p>I’m someone who’d like to pursue entrepreneurship, so I was wondering whether Stern has courses catering to this… For eg, Cornell has courses like Small business mgmt and Entrepreneurial leadership. Does Stern have similar courses? Or is everything more focussed towards finance and investment banking, etc?
Also, what kind of courses are offered under the Management concentration?</p>
<p>Thanks in advance :)</p>
<p>Heads-up to everyone, this is really gonna slip in activity until after the 22nd. Finals are here. I’ll be back to congratulate everyone in this school forum with their acceptance notifications then. =)</p>
<p>@jen
First semester you’ll have 4 classes. Usually your writing requirement (WTE or C&C, Writing the Essay is university-required for every student but a 750+ on SAT CR will place you into C&C, a writing class in Stern that’s far better for business kids because it eliminates the subjectivity and arts-focused perspective WTE brings), your math requirement (Calc I, II, or III), one/two of your MAP courses, or micro if you can place into it freshman year with a high AP Calc score.</p>
<p>MAP courses are the university’s general-education requirements, the Morse Academic Program. There’s Cultures and Contexts (called World Cultures last year, changed this year), Texts and Ideas (again, Conversations of the West last year), a language requirement for all schools except Stern, a math requirement (Calc I for almost every student), a NatSci requirement, and your writing requirement (WTE, or C&C if you are exempted into it).</p>
<p>Double majors are not difficult in Stern, as a matter of fact we’re probably the easiest school here for double-majoring. So much of our curriculum is ‘core,’ where every student takes the same fundamental base of classes. A major is normally only three, never more than four classes past that. You’ll basically spend 3 of your 4 whole years (5/8 semesters) here completing MAP and your Stern core. A double major is basically one full semester’s worth (16 credits, whether you choose to do it all in the same term or spread it across multiple [which is common, since many upper-level courses have pre-reqs]) of work after the core.</p>
<p>I’m a Finance/Marketing double with a declared minor too, and I managed to pack a semester abroad (sucking up my last elective credits) into that too. 
Depending on your career interests, it’s almost always safest to declare Finance as one of your majors, simply because we’re the 2nd-ranked undergrad program in it. Were I you, and this is completely blind of your own preferences so take it with a grain of salt, I’d double in Finance/Stats and minor in Econ. Econ here you’ll get sick of after Micro and definitely EGB (ugh, haha), and for recruiting at bulge bracket firms, econ isn’t as quantitative a basis as our other majors. Hardly anyone I know does a double major without including Finance as one.</p>
<p>Workload . . . first year I was miserable. I did not manage time effectively, I was not productive, and my grades showed it. If you’re as you say you are and stay on top of things, you ought to be safe. Much of the quantitative work is incremental, building upon itself throughout the semester, so if you never fall behind you’re golden and you’re beyond the kids who cram (basically everyone here haha) nights before exam weeks.</p>
<p>Best of luck! Are you an ED/RD applicant this year?</p>
<p>@GamBino
Well, that’s so subjective. Fitness is the absolute passion of my life, so on good weeks I’ll lift 4-6x weekly with some running scattered in there. Bad weeks I only get in one big lift on Sunday and schlep through the week. =/ I’m huge on videogames too, so I’d probably try to get competitive again at the titles I was semipro in had I the time (doubt I ever will again at this point). All things equal, I’d be pursuing music again too. Hopefully either Fall 2011 or Spring 2012 I’ll get a 2-credit in either private violin or vocal instruction, both are things I dropped late in high school.</p>
<p>@wesley
Best of luck bud. I’m glad my comments helped all of you, that’s all I hoped for. Let me know if you do get in, I decided this year I’d be applying for the OL (orientation leader) slot for Stern 2015. Now all I have to figure out is whether I can manage the full-year commitment or have to stick with the Welcome Week-only slot. Regardless, I’d love to meet any of you who get in this year.</p>
<p>@Ignite
Marketing as your only major/primary career interest . . . that’s a bit iffy in my book. I know kids here who do it and some of them are my close friends, but I look at a career in banking where first-year kids pull in $120k in total compensation straight out of school and that seems a better path to repaying however much of this $250k education you had to finance. Marketing, you may start anywhere between $40-60k out of school.</p>
<p>Granted, my perspective may be a bit different since I’m paying myself vs. parents supporting me, so take that as you will, but if I were looking at schools I don’t honestly know that I’d be choosing Stern if I <em>knew</em> marketing was what I wanted. If you’re not 100% sure, do some soul-searching. There are a lot of things you’ll discover when you get here, and if your interests change, it’s always a tremendous advantage to have the Stern name behind you as you try to launch your career.</p>
<p>@rivv
You’re welcome. =) Stern has much in that regard, both in terms of direct course offerings and co-curricular clubs/initiatives. Entrepreneurialism is a tremendous quality in anyone, and regardless of what you do, employers will love to identify that trait in you.</p>
<p>I have absolutely no information to share with you about Management courses at this point unfortunately, because I have yet to take MOA (the core course, Management and Organizational Analysis or something like that, it “examines the psychological underpinnings of business as well as the strategy and structure of organizations” apparently). I have it junior fall, after I come back from abroad. I did take OrgComm this semester, Organization Communication & Its Social Context. It’s hybrid between our Social Impact Core and the Management program.</p>
<p>Wow… honestly I could say that we’re both a lot more alike than I’d originally have thought… I also do weights about 3-4 times a week and I play video games quite a lot. So I guess we share a similar lifestyle. That’s good to know that something like that can work at Stern!</p>
<p>Just a fun question, are there many gamers at Stern?</p>
<p>Hi again! :D</p>
<p>I’m just wondering, would Stern be a good investment if I don’t plan on getting an MBA in the future? Or would Stern be just like any other undergrad business school in which employers would pay you the same and/or equal hiring?</p>
<p>I just wanted to thank you for making this thread, hellodocks.</p>
<p>I come from NYC, so I was kind of iffy if I wanted to lose the “campus experience” for the sake of pursuing my academic interests, which Stern completely has. But seeing that you were able to have a lot of fun with your interests, which are similar to mine, I feel satisfied with my ED decision.</p>
<p>Is there a nice gym where I could play basketball, btw? Or do I have to go to Chelsea Piers?</p>
<p>@Gambino
There are a lot of gamers at NYU in general but it is not a cohesive community.</p>
<p>@esthetique
Not sure what you meant with your second question, but if you want to enter the business world, Stern will definitely prep you for it regardless of whether you choose to pursue an MBA. It has a lot to offer, but it’s what you make of it and if you are active in the community.</p>
<p>@Thesternlock</p>
<p>Palladium has a nice bball court and there are a lot of pick up games. Coles is the main athletics building and they have multiple courts to play on so you shouldn’t have any toruble finding a place to play.</p>
<p>hi im applying to nyu undergrad could you please let me know the application essay word limit for both commonapp and the nyu supplement essay id really appreciate it thanks</p>
<p>sunnyb92 - For the commonapp short answer, it is limited to 1000 characters which should approximately be 150 words. For the commonapp personal statement, you upload a document so it can be as long as you like, it is generally recommend to stick between 500-170 words. And for the supplements, the limit is 500 characters which is approximately 70 words.</p>
<p>@GamBino
That’s cool, not too many people are into both.</p>
<p>@esthetique
Any ranked undergrad business program is a good investment, regardless of what you do after it. It provides you with an incredibly broad skill-set and method of learning that you can take to any job in the world you want. If you want to work in finance, you almost have to have a degree from a target school like Stern or HYP. Pay within the industry is competitive, which means that all the firms have nearly identical compensation packages. ‘Street’ (which means the average on Wall Street) comp is about $130-150k for first year analysts now, $70k base + 10 signing bonus + 5 relocation + $30-60 yearly bonus. It’s a bit different for consulting or corpfin, but roughly comparable.</p>
<p>@TheSternLock
No problem man. Glad my discussion could inform you. As for gyms, we have a number on campus. The primary are Coles and Palladium. Coles is on Bleecker and Mercer right below campus, and Palladium is up at Union Square. Chelsea Piers isn’t really even our primary athletic facility, it’s far away as hell.</p>
<p>@hellodocks Hey thanks for all your advice so far. One quick question: what would my job prospects be like if I didn’t graduate with at least a 3.5 from Stern? What if I was say in the 2.5-3 range? Lower? Just wondering.</p>