<p>It might not be exactly what you're looking for, but Brown publishes some of their acceptance stats on their website: <a href="http://www.brown.edu/web/facts.shtml%5B/url%5D">http://www.brown.edu/web/facts.shtml</a> </p>
<p>Look about a third of the way down the page.</p>
<p>I would take this as an opportunity to understand what they thought was the strongest part of the application and what area of the application they thought needed improvement. If the deferrment letter didn't identify a specific, this would be a good time to ask. Was it grades, SAT l or ll, the essay, a rec that went bad? Is it fixable or are they just waiting to see what the rest of the pool looks like?</p>
<p>When looking at top national u's and LACs, it is unlikely (with some rare exceptions) that a student who would be happy, engaged, and well-educated at one wouldn't be as happy, engaged, and well-educated at at least a dozen others, and probably more. Sure, they (and we) all have our favorites, and little idiosyncracies that we like (or dislike), but the reality is that the faculty are drawn from the same pool (and, in the case of new faculty, almost randomly, as whether one is teaching at one rather than another has more to do with openings in the year one applies than anything else). Students come from the same pool as well. The biggest differences will be things like urban/rural, warm/cold, big dorms/little dorms, Greeks/no Greeks, rather than anything intrinsic to the educational programs. (Think of it as Lexi, Beemers, and Audis.)</p>
<p>Things have a way of working themselves out.</p>
<p>Dear All,</p>
<p>Do you think that my deferred S should get in touch with the admission folks right away, while the proverbial iron is still hot, or will they be too tired and worn out and waiting for the hols so better not to disturb them right away ? </p>
<p>How does one get to know who the primary reader and/or the regional rep is ? S is planning on sending an email to the admission office asking for the name and email addresses of these people. Will that be alright ?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>Sugee, have you checked the admissions website for this college? Those that I have seen have details about the Regional Director listed on the website, including contact info. Here's a tip for everyone who isn't as fas along as you: if you are deffered and don't know who your regional dir is, you're already behind the 8 ball. I don't mean to sound hard, so please take this in the spirit in which it is intended. Lots of kids got deffered last week.....and most of them were wonderfully qualified applicants. The wave of ED deferrals moving to RD is going to be strong competition and any leg up can make the difference. But, it's easier to call your reg dir after having spoken previously. At this point, if I were you, I would still feel like my student had an advantage over the RD applicants just because he already <em>knows</em> his battle. Best of luck.</p>
<p>Thanks to all for your advice. I am sorry I have been so wrapped up in starategizing this weekend that I had not checked my post. Several of you asked about the list for the other schools; These are the others as they stand now: Reach: University of Notre Dame, Match: Bucknell, Wake Forest, Tulane, Vanderbilt , Safety: Clemson. All of the apps are in with the exception of Wake. She also may add one more school. In addition she is going to put everything into trying to turn the defer into an acceptance. We have not received the defer letter as the notice came out online on Friday but we expect to see it the first part of the week. We can then see if there is a hint of what they are looking for. We will also take everyone's advice here and try it all. Also, to answer another post - she liked Brown so much because it had such a feeling of family about the student body and everyone was accepting of everyone else. She is adopted Asian and is looking for that in a school. She simply felt very comfortable there and hasn't found exactly that feeling anywhere else we visited. Thanks again - you all have been so supportive.</p>
<p>Ooooh, nice work with having all of those apps already done MDMom and D!!</p>
<p>MarylandMom, I am curious about how most of her schools are in the south. If I have my facts right (and someone will correct me if I don't), diversity would not be as great in the south--it would be more so in the northeast and in the west. Perhaps, if she has time, she could add a couple of matches or reaches in those areas, if they are not too far away geographically. E.g., the Claremont colleges, or some of the good northeastern liberal arts colleges or small universities. </p>
<p>Hugs to her again. I am always struck, though, by the many, many, many times one hears that kids who end up going elsewhere than their dream school, seem SO glad that they did get deferred. It is small consolation right now, I know. But sometimes what we wish for is not always what we want in the end.</p>
<p>Momsdream,</p>
<p>Thank you. It makes a lot of sense what you say. The college has a list of officers conducting local information sessions in various places. Perhaps these are the regional admissions reps.</p>
<p>I looked at the site suggested by Strick11 (thanks for that). Did anyone else notice that even though Brown got approximately the same number of applications that it has in the past recent years, it has cut the number of those accepted ED almost IN HALF!?! Why have they decided to go from over 1000 accepted ED to 550 accepted ED? </p>
<p>On the bright side, Brown accepts significantly more people from their wait list than most schools. Last year, of the 450 people that accepted a place on the wait list more than 150 were enrolled. That's one-third of the list!!! So - at Brown anyway - a deferral is definitely NOT a "polite rejection."</p>
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<p>Something about those ED admit stats seems really weird. It's hard to believe they admitted two thirds of their class ED in the past--no school has ever done that that I've heard of. Is it possible that prior to the last three classes, they were EA, not ED?</p>
<p>If you look at ADMITTED instead of enrolled, it looks more like one-third. If you look at ENROLLED, Brown says that 35% of their enrolled students were ED and EA combined.</p>
<p>Right, but I can't believe they would commit two thirds of their enrollment to Ed students--that's way beyond any norm I've ever heard of. That's why I think it must've been EA for the earlier years.</p>
<p>Garland, you are right. Brown was EA for a while and changed to ED a few years ago. I believe the accept rate for kids who were deferred ED into the RD pool is about 10%. If the OP's D is still hopeful, she should go through the steps suggested to keep her app fresh, but then she really should forget about it and focus on her other choices. It is really stressful to hang too much on one school and an 10% shot is really not very good, worth going for, but not worth counting on.</p>
<p>We were in same position last year. D. got deferred to UNC (out of state) and the tears were pretty painful....Then she got waitlisted! So that was also frustrating. By then she had accepted her second choice UMD and she absolutely LOVES It there!!
And my pocketbook appreciates it too. Plus she is 45 minute drive from home!
So it worked out for the best. And UNC told her she would be absolutely in if she decided to transfer but UNC lost out as UMD is now her FIRST CHOICE of where she wants to be.
YES you can turn a deferral around..but not always. So I would call the school and ask admissions if there is something else you can do..and do it..
BUT I would also be looking and getting excited about other schools.</p>
<p>Maryland Mom:</p>
<p>I think the list of RD schools for your daughter looks good.</p>
<p>I'm just curious (and I mean this in the nicest possible way): what made you think that your D had a good shot at Brown? She's got a very solid transcript, but so do a million other Ivy League applicants. Unless her SATs went up dramatically in the November sitting, I just don't know how you could peg the odds as anything but long shot: below median SATs, solid top-5% class rank, but not valedictorian/salutatorian. Typical ECs. No hook.</p>
<p>Just on paper, I would not say that the package would be a likely admit to Brown. Brown was a BIG reach, so a deferral shouldn't be a surprise.</p>
<p>Conversely, I think she's got a very strong package for the other schools you mentioned.</p>
<p>If I recall correctly MarylandMom did ask on here what her D's chances were and was advised by some (including me) that they felt her chances were on the slim side without the hook. Its likely that she will not get in RD...so I think she ought to get excited about other places..
Marylandmom..I am sorry ...I really wish the best for your daughter. Mine is SOOOOO HAPPY where she is and it was not her first choice..Hopefully she will get in but do get excited about other schools.</p>
<p>MM, sometimes--but not always--a call to the regional admissions rep that covers your area will reveal what they thought was "light" about the app...which in turn can cast light as to the likelihood of the deferral turning to acceptance or what, if any, steps you can take. I'd recommend the call being made by the student, not the parent.</p>
<p>TheDad is right on the money. One of the Columbia U's ED poster did just that when he was deferred or rejected, and got an elucidating discussion.</p>
<p>But in any case, get right on moving to the other colleges. Do not dwell on it. Update your file, restate your interest, have your counselor reiterate your interest and then forget about it.</p>
<p>And truly your daughter is most likely very very qualified..but without being a legacy or athlete or celebrity etc..with some of these schools they get so many applicants that they have to look for something other than very qualified..</p>
<p>BTW jamimom did the Columbia poster end up getting in?</p>