D failed HS drug test/expulsion -- Loss of college scholarships?

<p>Well it looks like this thread has really taken on a life of its own. :-)</p>

<p>I have seen that several posters thought this thread was enlightening. I'm really glad for that. In such circumstances as these, one finds oneself asking "why??? why???" We may or may not get to a "why", but for the time being it really helps to know that this situation has helped one or two others by increasing their awareness of this type of problem among h.s. and college-age students. There is meaning in that.</p>

<p>I wanted to report on how we are doing, and pass along a couple of updates. And before I forget: Karen Colleges - you made me smile. Thank you.</p>

<p>She was indeed dismissed. Without a diploma. The school used some very non-specific language about perhaps awarding it in the future, based upon some unspecified set of criteria. The lack of the diploma means that, for now, she will not be eligible to participate in the school's extensive alumni network. That is a heavy blow, for us and especially for her. She had looked forward to that from day one.</p>

<p>But there was good news, for us, amidst the pain: we heard that the school would not report the dismissal on her transcript. Her coursework is "complete". And the college will NOT require the diploma. (But she still won't be there in the fall -- more on this later.)</p>

<p>I know that some of you were shocked, even outraged at the school's response. But we, as her parents, have to support the school, as much as that hurts. We think it was the right decision. Some very stiff consequences needed to be dealt. She was severely penalized in a couple of ways that hurt deeply, and will continue to hurt for some time. But at the same time, there is still a future to look forward to. </p>

<p>In a way, we feel blessed, to be honest: if this problem was going rear its hideous head, much better that it happen now, when it could be caught, than later at college, or after some all-too-imaginable disaster. So yes, we believe we can see grace, here.</p>

<p>After packing up her possessions, we took the long ride home. The ordeal leading up to her dismissal had consumed several days. She was exhausted, and had not eaten much. She slept alot. I want to share that, although the day was harder than just about anything we've ever done, we did laugh, a few times, on the way home. </p>

<p>The next steps are all about healing, we hope and pray. There are heavy emotions involved, on all sides. She is grieving, although she does not realize that yet. We are angry, worried, sad, but somewhat hopeful at the same time. </p>

<p>cptofthehouse, thank you for your cautionary remark about "the girl's environment at home". Anger can be a dangerous thing. Our job is to provide both structure and care so she can come to grips with what did happen, and with whatever comes next. </p>

<p>We have some really good ideas, we think, about how to rebuild. Depending upon how those work out, I'll be happy to share them at some point, in the right context. For now, we're anxious to find a therapist quickly as we believe it's not just a nice-to-have. </p>

<p>I realize that many, many families have gone through much worse than we have when substance abuse is involved. To this point in time, and despite the pain, we consider ourselves blessed that the issue has been called to our attention in such a way that we have no choice but to address it head on. No one has died, and thus far everyone's physical health appears to be intact. </p>

<p>The run-up to college, prior to the typical fall matriculation the summer after graduation, carries so much momentum that, should a parent wish to halt it for any number of reasons, it's a very, very difficult thing to to. For us, with our daughter's expulsion and the subsequent withholding of her diploma, we are able to bring college matriculation to a screeching pause. Had we had suspicions or greater-than-average fears about substance abuse or drinking, I must admit that we'd probably have lacked the fortitude to raise the red flag even then. I'm sure we would have caved to social and family expectations, our own pride in her accomplishments to date, or our anticipation of still greater things to come, not to mention her own insistence at simply moving on. </p>

<p>Several of you have said what a great dad I am. I thank you for that, but please realize that without this forum in which to both sort out my thoughts and find some wonderful advice, I doubt I would have handled it nearly as well. I blundered a few times, trust me, and I fully anticipate that I will find more than a few blunders as we work to uncover what really happened. But thanks again, for everything.</p>

<p>Calmom, yes, there is prescription abuse. But that is a whole other issue. If you want those drugs badly enough, that is the route you have to take to get them. It is not always that easy to get those meds. Ritalin, Adderall, and some other faves are Schedule 3 narcotics and are monitored. Doctors are not always overeager to prescribe them. Not to say kids cannot get a hold of them, but it can be a lot of trouble and more than a few tries. If all the kid wants is a pill once in a while during exams or paper writing, it's just easy to buy or beg one off of a fellow student. Also it isn't an automatic refill on these meds.</p>

<p>I have a friend whose D is on a big dose of adderall. Somehow she gets a 60 or 90 day supply of them which is not usual. She was horrified to find that in a month's time, all of them were gone. Appears her D was giving them out as favors. Or maybe selling them. What to do in a situation like that? I guess a reverse drug test is in order. These kids don't understand that this is all it takes to make them a drug dealer.</p>

<p>BADad, I am glad to see that you are finding the meaning in all of this. I agree that it would have been almost impossible to stop the matriculation otherwise. Your daughter has issues she must deal with, and you are moving forward to that end. My sympathies are with you. I know from family experience that this is a tough time, but it's definitely good that you can handle it now. When my brother, who was engaging in risky behaviors as a teen, finally had to come to terms with his issues ... he was a husband and father who almost died. His wife divorced him & he lives with the constant knowledge that his actions will most likely shorten his life (he has juvenile diabetes & the abuse did not do his body any favors). He dealt with his issues & pulled his life together. Today he is a wonderful father, a valued employee. He has brought our severely depressed brother into his home to help him reclaim his life. By all standards that count, he is a great success. As I said before, the path will be different, but it is not the end of the road. My very best to your family.</p>

<p>I wish BADad and his family all the best in the future. I'm so impressed by the thoughtfulness and love that you have shown for your D during this time. And, too, by your recognition that you had so many of your own dreams tied into her original plans.</p>

<p>OP's D's school is not the only one with such a policy regarding substance use. One of my sons graduated from an "elite eastern prep school" that has a one strike and you're out policy. One sip of beer off-campus when you weren't even caught but admitted to drinking? OUT! I would estimate that at least 10%-20% of his original class did not graduate due to this rule. It was strictly applied, regardless of the prominence or circumstances of the families involved. I don't know how the school's finances withstood the ejections but that policy has been in effect for many years.</p>

<p>BayareaDad- Thank you for being so honest and sharing your experience. It helps us all.
I also give you credit for making decisions that aren't comfortable. So often the child wants to forget something happened and just move on.
Your D is very lucky.</p>

<p>All the best to you and BayAreaDaughter, BADad. I'm impressed with the way you are handling this issue.</p>

<p>It sounds like you believe the two cases where D was caught were just the tip of the iceberg in her substance abuse. If that is the case, you are wise to keep her under your care for another year.</p>

<p>BayAreaDad --
A couple of times you have mentioned changing the momentum of the senior year..and start of college. It is an incredible insight. While you are dealing with very specific issues with your d's school and her substance issues....the emotional rollercoaster you are on must be extremely difficult.</p>

<p>Regarding the alum "networking" of your d's school....I know most college's consider you alum even if you didn't graduate. There is a good chance that time will allow her to reclaim her alum relationship with the school.</p>

<p>On a more cynical note...if she should become well known and/or give the school lots of money...they will likely be glad to consider her an alum...and may even award her a diploma!</p>

<p>"But at the same time, there is still a future to look forward to. </p>

<p>In a way, we feel blessed, to be honest: if this problem was going rear its hideous head, much better that it happen now, when it could be caught, than later at college, or after some all-too-imaginable disaster. So yes, we believe we can see grace, here."</p>

<p>Based on your above comments this evening, Bay Area Dad....it sounds like you are already on board with what is needed for your daughter. It is always better to know about something sooner vs later.....gives you time to adjust and hopefully need less adjustments.....because it is caught sooner. </p>

<p>I am so sorry for all of you that this particular race to the finish line was cut short......it is tremendously unnerving in so many ways....and it can be such a public time, with so many inquiring about graduation and plans with good intent. I wish you some flashes of peace....and ease of mind in these next few weeks....and over the summer months.... my gut says your daughter needs the shelter of home....and a respite from the environment and the hard work she was doing, or felt she needed to do to stay in synch with others at her school.......where perhaps she felt she wasn't as capable or was afraid she might not be as capable....
help her find her new comfort levels..... and along the way you will find your own..... the outside world can be full of expectations..... we do not have to accept them all..... at the end of the day we pretty much do what we do for our kids.... so, take comfort in this new clarity and find strength in one another. I think you already have..... and I am very happy you had a few laughs on the way home. Sounds healthy to me....</p>

<p>BayAreaDad, I've been following this thread with a lot of interest though I having no insights to offer for your problem, I made no post.</p>

<p>As a college student myself, I think your daughter is amazingly lucky. If you succeed in impressing your daughter with even some of the self honesty you're showing in your posts, I'm sure she'll make you proud of her again. We all make mistakes and sometimes they allow us to come out as stronger and better people.</p>

<p>BayAreaDad, for every person who has posted on this thread, there are dozens if not hundreds who have sent you their silent good wishes in this difficult time. I'm one of them. I can only tell you my experience, which is that every time that a seeming disaster has struck in my personal or professional life, the changes that have come about in the aftermath have been nothing but positive. Sometimes the positives take a little while to reveal themselves, but they do come. You and your family will get through this, and emerge changed but wiser as a result.</p>

<p>BayAreaDad,
Thank you for taking the time to update us.
I agree that you are handling the challenge remarkably well, and that says worlds of good things about your parenting.
I agree with you that the grace of the situation is that it happened at a time in which your D is still young enough, financially dependent enough. and caring about her future enough to be motivated to work with you and professionals to help get her life back on track.
I know some adults who overcame similar self-imposed painful challenges in their teens and grew into adults who were responsible and successful in all meanings of the word "success."
I send my warmest wishes to your family for a similar outcome for your D.</p>

<p>BayAreadDad:</p>

<p>Thank you for updating us. I am very relieved at the outcome. I am so glad that you can see the positives in this situation. Your D will be home so that she will have the benefit of your support and guidance as she tries to work through her problem.
I had suggested that your D defer college for a year, take some courses at the local university and work part-time. I repeat my suggestion. If she is still hoping to attend the college where she was admitted, or if she wishes to apply to another college, she should not register at the local university or take a full load of courses. Just a few, to keep busy and maintain her study skills. </p>

<p>One of the things I suggest you look into is health insurance. She most likely will need some type of health care. Will she still be eligible for your health insurance if she is not in college? If not, all the more reason that she get a paying job.</p>

<p>Best of luck to your family.</p>

<p>Bay Area Dad, I'm happy to know that I made you smile! And I'm pleased to see that the most recent posters are not using that sad abbreviation of your name.</p>

<p>Wish I could think of something to say to give you a lift today. </p>

<p>Hope y'all can relax and find something fun to do this weekend.</p>

<p>Bay Area Dad -</p>

<p>Your family may experience something that is like a mini version of post-traumatic syndrome. If you know to look for it, it won't be able to bite very hard.</p>

<p>I was glad that you mentioned that you had found some moments to laugh.</p>

<p>From my experiences, learning to trust again will be the hardest part. On the one hand, your daughter may expect you to trust her long before you can or should; on the other hand, you are going to have to do some provisional trusting and will also be worrying that she is deciding, deep down, that she's never going to be worthy of trust. </p>

<p>I don't understand why she will be denied membership in the alumni network by reason of having no diploma. Most schools consider anyone who matriculated there to be an alumna or alumnus, regardless of whether they graduate. Are they saying that your daughter is being forever banned from campus and from any alumni function? When all the dust clears, you might want them to clarify and reconsider this, although I know it is far from a forefront issue right now. It' just that, not only does this seem overly punitive and harsh, but, if the lack of the diploma is the crux of it, it is bizarre (e.g., a student who withdraws because of health reasons or a family move overseas is banned from the alumni network?) - but we have to pick our fights, I guess.</p>

<p>On a happier note, I have a daughter who has just finished her first year of college, and high school seems several lifetimes ago, both for her and for us.</p>

<p>Good luck to you and your family. You have a journey ahead of you, but you sound well prepared.</p>

<p>What I don't understand, is what happens without a hs diploma or GED? Doesn't everyone need their hs diploma or GED? How do you go about getting one, and from where? Is she supposed to have a GED now? I understand that Bayareadad's D needs some guidance, counseling, etc., but I feel that there should be a clearly defined path for her to receive her diploma from her hs. Yes, she did not follow the rules, and yes, she made mistakes. She also completed all of her course work, and I think deserves a way to get that diploma (ie: going through a substance abuse class/program, something similar to those offered at many/most colleges).</p>

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<p>No. I think that most colleges will admit students without a HS diploma or GED. Colleges can look at test scores, portfolios, descriptions of accomplishments, etc. in lieu of a HS diploma.</p>

<p>Northeastmom:</p>

<p>Not every college requires a high school diploma or GED. For example, homeschooled students are not required to have either. From one of the posts by BADad, it appears that the college his D hopes to attend does not require one. It does, however, require a final transcript.</p>

<p>BayAreaDad, I too send my kudos to you and your family for the way you have handled this most trying situation. I know that there will be anger, frustration, etc. that will boil over at inopportune times; after all, you are all human. Don't beat yourselves up for that. But being able to step back and see the big picture, refusing to stick your head in the sand and stomp your feet saying, "But it's unfair!", dealing rationally and straightforwardly with what you have to deal with - I am in awe. I just hope that should I ever have a problem of such magnitude, that I can also react with such grace and thoughtfulness.</p>

<p>My best to you and your whole family.</p>

<p>Okay, I see. You have a good point about homeschoolers. I was just thinking back to a few times in my own life, where I had to list where I got my high school diploma.</p>

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<li><p>One rarely needs a high school diploma, per se.</p></li>
<li><p>It seems fairly clear that BA Daughter can eventually get one, if she really wants it. I suspect that a letter to the school next year, detailing what she has done to address her issues, and asking nicely, will do the trick.</p></li>
<li><p>Alumni network: If this school really does not consider her an alumna based on not having gone through graduation, then it is truly unique. My daughter changed schools after 10th grade, and her old school clearly still regards her as an alumna -- at least she certainly receives all alumni mailings and fundraising solicitations. A former classmate of hers, who was "counseled out" after 11th grade under circumstances that made her family very bitter, gets the same treatment.</p></li>
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