<p>I hate it when guys automatically assume the girl is lying or it can't possibly be theirs. It's kind of a hefty thing to joke about, wouldn't you say? It takes two people to make a baby, and yet girls get the bad rap.</p>
<p>Honestly I think there is not really an excuse for getting into that situation, excluding rape or freak condom accidents. Contraceptives are so widely available now. People who are are not responsible enough to practice safe sex shouldn't be having sex...</p>
<p>Honestly, what is wrong with some of you people?! Own your actions. Why should a life be KILLED because you are an irresponsible loser who can't keep his immature desires in check?!? For goodness sakes, how selfish can you possibly be?</p>
<p>Since the OP isn't responding, I'll just further the abortion debate.</p>
<p>Abortion, if done when it is supposed to be done, DOES NOT KILL. The fetus is not alive, it is a collection of cells without the ability to think, feel pain, or make any decisions for itself. It is up to the parents to decide what it is best, and in some cases, abortion is the best option for both the parents and the baby. Adoption? Sure, a nice option, but the mother still has to carry the baby to term, doesn't she? She still has to deal with the stress, physical and mental and academic and probably social, doesn't she?</p>
<p>I don't think it's selfish for a young woman to care more about her education and about the rest of her life than about a clump of cells.</p>
<p>Ohh, you mean the biological mother will have to deal with the consequences of her actions?? Awww, that's not fair...just because everyone else has consequences for their actions, why should she?? **Sarcasm! Really, I think that a bit of stress is worth saving a LIFE of an INNOCENT child. </p>
<p>Abortion, whether or not it is a "collection of cells", still kills what would and SHOULD be a living child. And if this young woman cares so much about her education and the rest of her life, why did she engage in such compromising and risky behavior?</p>
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<p>It's not that we think the girl is lying, but a little confirmation would be nice. If you expect a guy to just take your word for it, you got another thing coming.</p>
<p>"If you expect a guy to just take your word for it, you got another thing coming."</p>
<p>Suggestion: If you don't trust a girl to "take her word for it", you probably should not be having sex with her in the first place. Durr</p>
<p>Did you know, because of the religious/moral debate over abortion, only 1/3 of teenage pregnancies in the US are aborted whereas in nearby Canada, 2/3 of teenage pregnancies are aborted? </p>
<p>Personally, I think male politicians should have much less influence in this debate. Easy to say, I advocate for life! When you've never had and never will have to face the choice of choosing the 'life' of an embryo over your own future.</p>
<p>That said, if I were a guy I would refuse responsibility for the baby until there was a paternity test. If it comes through positive though, the guy has equal responsibility to pay for the child's upbringing or to raise it if necessary.</p>
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Suggestion: If you don't trust a girl to "take her word for it", you probably should not be having sex with her in the first place. Durr
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<p>That's some wishful, naive thinking. </p>
<p>I'd always ask for confirmation, no matter how long I knew this girl.</p>
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Ohh, you mean the biological mother will have to deal with the consequences of her actions??
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I've actually taken a few of my friends to the abortion clinic (I wasn't the father), they've actually said having the abortion was the most traumatic experience they'd ever endured. I don't know if you'd be spiteful enough to say "it serves them right!" but don't think they're just "conveniently" disposing of the kid because it didn't fit into their daytime schedules.</p>
<p>And I don't think the girl would engage in sex just to "compromise" and "risk" her academic future. Everyone makes mistakes and they know it. I doubt they really need to you reprimand them for it.
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But like you said, the kid isn't living yet. I don't think he'll take it personally.</p>
<p>Alex</p>
<p>Alex-I just think if you're going to have sex, you need to be willing to deal with the consequences. Abortion, to me, (unless the mother is in extreme physical danger if she carries to term, which is understandable, but you need to get it taken care of ((so to speak)) within the first trimester) is the ultimate act of avoiding consequences/irresponsibility.</p>
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Alex-I just think if you're going to have sex, you need to be willing to deal with the consequences. Abortion, to me, (unless the mother is in extreme physical danger if she carries to term, which is understandable, but you need to get it taken care of ((so to speak)) within the first trimester) is the ultimate act of avoiding consequences/irresponsibility.
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That's the thing, really. I'm not condoning abortion (I'm pro-choice, but I think there are definitely situations where it is questionable, like the girl I know who had 4 abortions). But seriously, if we're talking about a young high school girl with her entire future ahead of her, I don't think we should be condemning her decision. If we told every girl in this situation to duke it out I would imagine an increase in suicides. The bottom line is, yeah, they made a mistake but they don't need our pity or scorn. Or condescension.</p>
<p>And that's what it is, a mistake. How many times have we done something without considering the consequences? If we found a cure for lung cancer, should we withhold it from dying smokers just so they could "face the consequences"? </p>
<p>Alex</p>
<p>I'm actually pro-choice as well. I believe that abortion should be legal, because I can't force my morals upon others (I myself would never get an abortion).</p>
<p>I just think that abortion should never be used as birth control. Give it up for adoption. The stress and physical ailments of carrying to term? Honestly, they both should have thought of that beforehand.</p>
<p>Personally I think aborting an embryo, denying it the chance to reach babyhood is like killing a postnatal child, denying it the chance to reach adulthood. An egg is not a person, a sperm is not a person, but a zygote is a person; a potential human life that could grow up to do great things.</p>
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Don't forget humiliation and other social effects, which play a much bigger part than it should. If a woman carries the baby to term, everyone would know about it.</p>
<p>I think we're on the same page, really. It just hits a bit closer to home.</p>
<p>Alex</p>
<p>paternity kthxplz</p>
<p>Me: "I am sorry. Statement does not compute. Error. Error. Abort! Abort!"</p>
<p>No, not really. I'm pro-life unless there are truly extenuating circumstances (rape or danger of health of mother).</p>
<p>Sigh. I know rape is a horrible situation, one that the mother did not ask for and isn't her fault, but I fail to see how it is the baby's fault either. Why is a fetus conceived via rape less valuable than one conceived in consenting sex?</p>
<p>I'm not saying that I think abortions shouldn't be allowed for rape. If I were in that situation, I don't know what I would do either. It's just something I think about and struggle with.</p>
<p>I think the main difference between pro-choice and pro-lifers is that we don't think of an embryo, a clump of cells, as a "baby." We think of it as a clump of cells, and value the health and the future of the mother, who is already a person, rather than merely a potential for a person.</p>
<p>I've been involved in many, many abortion debates. Probably more than usual... But the main difference between pro-choicers and pro-lifers -- aside from what Keshira pointed out -- is how the actual act is viewed.</p>
<p>I view abortion as my right to choose.<br>
Pro-lifers (or so it seems to me) view abortion as murder.</p>
<p>We can debate forever, but in the end I'll still be yelling "it's my right!" and you'll be yelling back "it's an innocent life!"</p>
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I'd ask her what stage she's at. If she's already been to a doctor and it's confirmed I'd say you're <strong><em>ed. If she's taken the pee test and it's a + I'd say you're 98% *</em></strong>ed. If she's late by a day or two, tell her to calm the *** down and wait for her period. There are a ton of things to make a teenaged girl have a late period and stressing out about a pregnancy will only make it later, so she might not be pregnant. Either way I'd start packing my bags and heading for Canada.
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<p>Funniest post.</p>
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If some random girl called and said she was pregnant, I wouldn't care too much. There are tons of teenage pregnancies in the world.
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<p>Second funniest post.</p>
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<p>That is harsh. Very harsh. Should a moment's mistake really entail such a difficult and lengthy punishment, especially in a culture that openly promotes teenage sex?</p>
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<p>It's not any less "valuable." But if a fetus does not have the loving support of its parents, it probably would not have that great of a life. And forcing a rape victim to be reminded of having endured one of the most despicable offenses imaginable for NINE MONTHS just doesn't seem fair to me. If the technology is available to relieve the burden, why not use it? Like Keshira said, it all comes down to whether a newly-conceived fetus is considered a life or not (and is worth compromising the emotional health of an adult woman for 9 months).</p>
<p>Also, to identify yourself as pro-life, I think you should be at least 18. Otherwise, you're taking an overly definite stand on a complicated issue that you don't yet understand.</p>