They sending out FA emails but can’t even answer my emails ??♂️
lol I’m just salty that it’s been a week and Dartmouth is radio silent for me
@homerdog - are you sure they put together an FA package for every applicant/candidate? That sounds like an excessive amount of work, especially when you consider that many elite schools admit less than 8% of all candidates.
I would imagine the process works something like this: Admissions decides on who to admit. They hand over those files to the FA office, and then FA puts together financial aid packages for all admitted students.
Creating FA packages for every applicant would seem to be a Herculean task.
These requests for detailed financial information from @dreamthief001 at this late date may indeed be a good sign. But who really knows…
@surfmom I thiught it worked like that too but recently learned that FA collects all docs they need for everyone and, once they do, the package might be automatically generated electronically. I don’t know how to link another thread here but search my threads. I recently started one about how FA works in tandem with admissions. Some people in the know posted and made it clear that FA is pretty separate from admissions.
@dreamthief001 what kinds of information are they requesting. I tend to agree with you and think it might be a good sign:)
@factoryboylol @minniemouse143 the email i received a few weeks ago was asking for more info on extenuating circumstances i described in my css profile and for me to send over a set of documents that would clarify the impact of that info on my family’s finances, and the one i received yesterday was asking for clarification on an income listed on those new forms. definitely not going to get my hopes up! can’t believe decisions are only a couple week away
the emails i received also made sure to say that the admissions committee is still deliberating, but the FA office wants to make sure they have all the info they need to compile a package when an applicant is accepted. so who knows!
I agree with @homerdog
Them asking FA details means nothing. Since many apps still dont get in after this happens.
Another thing: do y’all really think scammers dont know names of all possible FA docs they could ask?
Just beware.
True, all the email reception means is that you arent out of the game, as they wont do this for a rejected app.
Deliberation goes on till a few days before the dec’s so, just get ready. there are many who get in without these emails as well, as all the required FA is present with the finaidcom.
So another thing this means is they just need more data for comprehensive understanding of your sitch.
THe FA does work in tandem, but at best, they are relayed with info of who’s rejected so that they dont ask for more things.
This doesnt mean that youre rejected if they dont ask for more things; if you’re confident you’ve sent them all relevant FA docs, you’re set.
THis is to have efficiency. It may go either way on ivy day for anyone. (Except LL’s)
It mostly means they objectively want more understanding of your FA case. You’re not off the game, but due to the secretive process, there’s no telling where exactly an app lies.
This doesnt mean you’re rejected.
I explained the FA case. Idk about the general emails u’re sendin’, but that doesnt sound good at the least.
Again, you might get in as well. On average (considering all circumstances and events, except the content of the application), your chances are as good as anyones IMO, except the LL receptees
A key point to remember is ED defers have a lower admit rate than RD apps.
Yea. Hopefully they send some sort of reply this week ??
FA and Admissions…
I’m guessing this is not a Universal Truth on who does what, when and who knows how much as It’s just too complicated.
Too many variables from school to school. Need blindness and meeting needs in various ways etc.
So in theory FA and Admissions are separate typically. I’m guessing there is FA a file on everyone which has all the raw data that can spit out packages on demand.
I have been told by at least two or three schools to not submit a specific change until after accepted as there is no way to attach it until then. This leads me to believe there is no bank of packages for some schools.
Other schools changed it readily even though D18 has not accepted yet. Which leads me to believe they have enough people in FA to update all files including those not yet admitted.
I’m guessing as the admissions office decided on a candidate they reach out to FA and ask them to proceed to work up a package. One school my D18 was admitted to in EA had an error where FA sent out applicants info that they were in through a FA package offer. Getting out ahead of admissions. So they knew.
While I believe all FA files are reviewed for completeness I seriously doubt packages are generated for all applicants. Especially for need blind schools. My guess is packages are generated once Admissions generates a likely list of acceptances.
I agree with this on a general note. This should be true for a good no. of colleges.
This has been discussed over and over again and we have seen in the past years that those who did receive these emails from FA office did, in fact, get into Dartmouth after all. We can discuss whether it’s still applicable or not but they are there. For international students, FA and application review are not separate at all, as they consider how much aid you need during the application reading process. FA office may be obliged to finalize the files for every domestic student, but to what extent does that hold true for international students?
@factoryboylol While people who get such mails do get in, this doesnt bar the fact of the people who still dont as well.
There are many who dont get these emails, but still get in as well, mainly since their FA docs are all sent, everything they have, beforehand.
Internationals dont get Financial Aid. They get scholarships, which are awarded differently
@factoryboylol Another question.
I’ll be blunt.
Do you mean to say if one doesnt get this FA email, regardless of the applicant sending his/her arsenal of Financial Aid and Supporting Documents months beforehand, the applicants fate is sealed as a reject?
I know so that its false.
Especially if every possible Financial Aid document is sent to the FA Committee months back.
Somewhat thankful for being full pay so I don’t have to be analyzing whether we are getting FA phone calls!
@TheGuy1 no, they are saying that if you DO get the email, it has in the past correlated to admission. i dont know why you are getting so defensive about it. no one on here knows what any of this means for sure, it’s just a conversation
I’m not defensive, just fed up of chiming in to the same discussion over and over on this forum and the others.
While what youre saying is true, the opposite applies as well. If you DO get the email, it has in the past correlated to a denial as well. 3 friends of mine (all older than me, for previous years classes) got turned down despite this. One for Dartmouth, one for Princeton, and one for Yale.
I’m assuming while some just speculate here as I do sometimes as well, some speak total nonsense too. Idk who, but there are definitely some. I try to bring in some personal experiences in this case that contradict or show a new perspective, yet there are some, some newer accounts, some older, who keep on reiterating the same thing.