Dartmouth vs Air Force, ... help! (football related)

<p>Leaves peak first or second week in October.</p>

<p>OP - In post #27, you said the coach had said that the admissions office had done a preliminary review of his application and had said he’s admissable. Please make sure you get that likely letter from the ADMISSIONS OFFICE, if you don’t have it already. This issue may have been covered in one of the other threads you posted…and you probably already know this…but…the football coach cannot offer admissions to your son. Only the admissions office can offer it.</p>

<p>I understand.</p>

<p>Dartmouth said that they won’t issue a likely letter
until a verbal commitment is made…probably for leverage purposes I would assume.</p>

<p>I will follow up with the football office and inquire when we should expect one to arrive.</p>

<p>But point taken. Thanks.</p>

<p>jd, the reason they won’t give likely letters until your son verbally commits is that a likely letter is a golden ticket. Admissions won’t give one out unless they are CERTAIN the student will show up. Chaos would ensue if there were more likelies issued than spots available on the team. </p>

<p>I’ve asked this a number of times on CC, but for the general edification of athlete parents and recruits, I’d love to know if a kid ever gets more than one Ivy likely letter. Not more than one OFFER, but actual letters from multiple Ivy admissions offices.</p>

<p>Your process sounds right in line with what other Ivy recruits have experienced, jd. Hopefully the likely letter will be in the mail soon!</p>

<p>I too, am interested in the likely letter process, please update on if coach faxes, emails attachment or sends snail mail from admissions and how long it takes after the verbal commitment. Thanks!</p>

<p>We had a student,currently a sophomore at Harvard, who had likely letters from Dartmouth, Princeton, Yale and Harvard. So it definitely happens. Add to this that she didn’t make a commitment to any of them until the May 1 deadline with full acceptance letters in hand. She was hockey player of the year, had a 3.9 gpa (at a school with unweighted grades and has only had four 4.0’s in 20 years) and came in 2nd in the nation on some french exam (not the SAT II). Add to this that she is probably one of the nicest and most humble person I have ever met and it is perfectly understandable why they would all want her. Plus… while sometimes people might be jealous, everyone said at the time that it couldn’t happen to a nicer person.</p>

<p>I could see how with a female hockey player you could get several likely letters. There are two things at play here. First, typically low-band athletic admits are usually reserved for the guys teams, in effect requiring women tips to have higher qualifications. Given that and a very small pool of high-band academically qualified female hockey players, schools will trip over each other to get those few. Of late Harvard and Dartmouth have had the most luck (getting the best athletic talent of that limited pool), with Yale, Princeton, and Brown currently struggling to find enough D1 quality athletic talent to be competitive. And then you have to look at Williams, Amherst, et al in DIII NESCAC competing with them for that same (academically qualified) limited talent pool.</p>

<p>Note to self: teach future grand daughters to play hockey. WOW!</p>

<p>I’m beginning to think receiving more than one likely letter would be reserved for people like the girl Modadunn described: very very top of her sport, and academically a fit. </p>

<p>We did not test the system: d accepted one likely and declined further contact from other schools.</p>

<p>mini van, a year ago a coach emailed us to say the letter was in the (snail) mail. It arrived a few days later.</p>

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It might be easier to build a building on campus to get in. LOL</p>

<p>Hockey is an expensive sport and IMHO (not trying to start a flame war here) is the most difficult sport to master. But if they love the sport, there is nothing like it. And if they are sharp enough to qualify for Ivy, their talent can take them there.</p>

<p>Air Force just called and wouldn’t take no for an answer.</p>

<p>S stated he had committed to Dartmouth and thanked the Colonel for their interest.</p>

<p>Colonel asked “Are you saying NO to the UNITED STATES AIR FORCE?”</p>

<p>high pressure tactics.</p>

<p>Your son said the right thing. </p>

<p>IMHO the Colonel is out of line. Once an athlete verbally commits, the losing coaches should gracefully withdraw. At least that’s the way it was put to us as the parents of the (newly) committed athlete.</p>

<p>goaliedad, you may be right about difficulty (and you will see no flames from my quarter). </p>

<p>My kids are in a “no skill” sport. No sticks or balls for us. We only hurt ourselves with them.</p>

<p>jd, sorry to hear about that exchange. How’s your gut?</p>

<p>my gut is fine…so is S’s.</p>

<p>S handled the exchange on the phone.</p>

<p>Air Force even said “don’t burn your bridges son”.</p>

<p>Learning experience for S (and me). I too thought once you committed, others would gracefully withdraw.</p>

<p>It’s curious that Air Force would play hardball. Seems to me that unless one is passionate about attending the Academy, they really shouldn’t want him to attend.</p>

<p>jd, some coaches are graceful, others downright hurtful. I won’t say any more, but my daughter had some very difficult and eye-opening phone conversations when she called to thank for interest and decline some offers. It actually helped her to confirm her final decision.</p>

<p>AF football is taken very seriously, so I can see how they might really want some promising players. However, this is not the place for those who don’t really want it.</p>

<p>I cannot see a colonel in the Air Force losing graciously… at anything. And when you think about it, on some level we should all be happy about that.</p>

<p>Hockey is something you live and breath, it is not something you do – especially where we live. I used to joke that right after you signed the birth certificate you signed up for youth hockey. But you are right, especially for the girls, it’s been Dartmouth and Harvard with some Amherst sprinkled on top. A few of the really top boys end up leaving senior year to skate in juniors and international teams. And actually, some of the big hockey schools almost require it from their recruits. Then again, most of them are already lined up to play in the NHL before they take to the ice their freshman year.</p>

<p>It was a very difficult decision for S, but the decision has been made.</p>

<p>S made a commitment and a Colonel should appreciate the importance of living
up to one’s commitments. </p>

<p>This thread has run its course.</p>

<p>umm… have no idea what this says in english. but the little sad face tells me it’s not good. :)</p>