Dartmouth vs. UPenn

<p>I'm a transfer student having a hard time deciding between two great schools: Dartmouth and UPenn. Below are my top reasons for attending/ not attending each school:</p>

<p>UPenn:</p>

<p>Pros:
More technical programs which match me better (e.g. bioengineering)
Outstanding access to the culturally-rich city of Philadelphia
Great undergraduate research opportunities
Wonderful career services/ alumni groups provide many opportunities for finding a job</p>

<p>Cons:
Located in a poor part of Philadelphia
While there are more resources available to undergraduates in terms of research, they are often more difficult to secure as more people are vying for the same opportunities
Harder to meet with professors outside of the classroom</p>

<p>Dartmouth:</p>

<p>Pros:
Smaller school with subsequent smaller class sizes that places the emphasis on undergraduate
Pristine outdoor location - provides many outdoor recreational outlets
D-Plan allows for amazing flexibility and study abroad opportunities
Great language program</p>

<p>Cons:
Fewer technical majors (how good are the basic science majors as compared with other top-tier schools?)
More difficult to reach a larger city - for reasons of transportation to and from home and social outlets
Drinking is huge</p>

<p>I grew up in a more rural community and don't know how big of an issue it would be to live/ study in a larger city. If there are other germane items I left out which would help anyone analyze my current situation better in order to provide advice, please let me know. Thanks for any and all help!</p>

<p>Haha, I went through this a few months ago when I had to decide my college. UPenn-Wharton versus Dartmouth. Hours and hours and hours of research…I ended up visiting Penn twice and Dartmouth once (but I spent three weeks at Dartmouth last summer for a business program). I know both schools through and through and let’s see if I can help you a bit.</p>

<p>First of all, let’s get these basic points out of the way. Both are amazing schools. In terms of academic reputation, Wharton may edge Dartmouth a bit, but for Penn as a whole, the two are considered tied (forget USNews Rankings). So throw academic reputation and prestige out of the window. The two schools are institutions of academic excellence and are highly, highly respected everywhere.</p>

<p>Okay, so on to the other stuff.</p>

<p>The two schools are extremely different. I figured that out after about ten minutes at Penn. </p>

<p>Dartmouth emphasizes the personal qualities, perhaps a focus on more philosophical and romantic themes in its general environment. It’s a little bit more about discovering yourself in the wilderness, finding who you really are and seeking the purpose to your life. It has an intense focus on tradition, its rich history, and its unparalleled school pride. This comes from its location in rural New Hampshire, as well as being part of New England. Penn, on the other hand, is very much the modern school. It really does have an extensive history that can be seen in its architecture, but it emphasizes more about events that are occurring now. It is less romantic and more career-oriented, preparing you for your trade and honing your skills for your future job. The school treats education as a business, and really prepares the students for the outer world. Take a step on either campus and you’ll see this; the classrooms at Penn (especially the Wharton Classrooms) and overall campus feel makes it seem like going to work, instead of going to class.</p>

<p>Regarding social life, the two are different, but similar. The similarity is that you’ll have fun and there WILL be things to do, all the time. At Dartmouth, the frats and sororities are obviously the main focus of the social life, and Greek life there is legendary. But just as well, there are tons of people who prefer to stay in during college and just have a fun time in the dorms. Generally, dorm life is much more active (since people have no city to explore) and the community of Dartmouth is closer, as a whole. With Penn, you have the entire city of Philadelphia, so you’re interaction may or may not be with other Penn students, and the whole campus feels a part of Philadelphia (which, obviously, it is). Because of this, off-campus parties in off-campus houses (with no unified Frat Row) are the primary form of partying. Although I’m sure the students are close, the people are generally not as close as a whole than the students of Dartmouth, simply because everyone is off-campus with cliques and groups.</p>

<p>In the end, you’re going to have to visit the two schools and decide which environment best suits you. A college where tradition, community, and the beautiful outdoors are emphasized? Or a college where a focus on building one’s career is seen? In the end, this decision shouldn’t be based on academic excellence or prestige. Dartmouth graduates have the highest median salary of any Ivy League School after ten years, while Penn-Wharton places 90 percent of its students in a job the first year after they graduate. You will find job offers no matter where you go, it just depends on which path you want to take.</p>

<p>I know what you’re going through, man. It came down to the last minute for me. They were both just awesome.</p>

<p>There is no wrong choice here. It comes down to academics and environment. Where do you feel you will be able to develop more fully as a student and person? Be sure to visit both schools!</p>

<p>Good luck to you! What a great choice to have.</p>

<p>You indeed have a wonderful decision to make. If you’re thinking about bioengineering, Penn has one of the top programs, although I’m sure that Dartmouth’s is also exceptional in terms of its level of instruction.</p>

<p>It should come down to school environment and fit:
Do you prefer an urban (Penn) or rural (Dartmouth) environment?</p>

<p>The actual “geists” of the two schools are VERY similar in many ways - pre-professional, somewhat fratty, although Penn is a lot more racially diverse (well, we have a lot of Asians, anyway - I believe 33% of the class this year, so Jews and Asians outnumber whites for the first time).</p>

<p>muerteapablo i am assuming you are a student at upenn. are you in the bioengineering program because that is exactly the program i am considering and would love the inside scoop! as far as dartmouth goes, i heard it was a pretty big drinking/partying school. is there anything besides this as far as the mainstream social scene goes? thanks for your reply!</p>

<p>Sorry, I’m neither a bioengineer nor an expert on Dartmouth’s social life; however, I do know that it’s largely based around the fraternity system.</p>