<p>Hi, I wonder whether anyone can shed some light on Dartmouth's medical school placement records and how it is compared with schools like Johns Hopkins and Duke. Johns Hopkines claims that they place more than 90% of their premed students into medical schools. I looked at MDapplicants.com and there are 28 applicant records for Dartmouth, 42 for Duke and 50 for JHU. Obviously, there are more pre-med students in those two schools. That doesn't mean, however, that their placement percent is higher. I'd appreciate any data.</p>
<p>From one of my earlier posts:</p>
<p>"Last year (2006 matriculants) the med school acceptance rate was 83% (135/162). The average stats for an accepted student: overall GPA 3.51, BCPM 3.43, MCAT 11 VR/11 PS/11 BS/Q. That's with no screening whatsoever--the premed advising team is of the opinion that if you want to apply to medical school, they'll do everything they can to help you get in."</p>
<p>I think the non-screening aspect is key, because many top-flight schools will use this to inflate their percentage. Dartmouth doesn't do that, and still does exceptionally well.</p>
<p>I should also note that the average stats are lower than the national average, suggesting that medical schools see something special in Dartmouth students.</p>
<p>hokie:</p>
<p>"placement rates" is a fictional number, regardless of whether a college screens out borderline apps. The reason is that you don't know the number of kids matriculating to Dartmouth (or Hopkins) who marked premed on their application. At a school like Dartmouth, the premed intendeds could be as high as 33% (or 350 Frosh) -- assume it would be even higher at Hopkins. Thus, using wisconsinguy's stats, less than half of enrolling Dartmouth premeds even make it thru the required courses and apply to med school. Of course, this is probably true for every college. Thus, reviewing placement records is not valuable, IMO.</p>
<p>Thanks for the responses.</p>
<p>Wisconsinguy: The number, 135, seems pretty high. On Dartmouth website, it said that 20% of the graduates go to graduate schools and out of the 20%, 14% go to medical schools. Assuming that D has 1000 graduates, then the number of students who go to medical schools is 28. Maybe, I missed something.</p>
<p>Bluebayou: what you said makes sense.</p>
<p>"I should also note that the average stats are lower than the national average, suggesting that medical schools see something special in Dartmouth students."</p>
<p>Wisconsinguy: It's true that the Dartmouth GPA is lower, but he MCAT score is higher. BTW, the national average is 3.65 and 30.8.</p>
<p>Bluebayou--</p>
<p>That's completely true. Anywhere you go, the premed attrition rate from college application to med school application is at least 50%--people's goals change, people fail a few premed classes, etc. Don't go somewhere solely because they have a good med school track record: chances are you won't be a premed by graduation.</p>
<p>Hokie,</p>
<p>Those statistics are directly from career services. Remember, too, that they're not the stats from the class of 2006, just for all people going to med school and matriculating there in 2006. That said, I believe also that 14% of D grads will go to med school in addition to another 20% that will go to grad school.</p>
<p>Wisconsinguy,
If it's multi-years, then it makes sense. I am pretty sure that the 14% is under the 20% or so who go to grad school.</p>
<p>I think you're wrong, hokie. 135 people attending med school is much closer to 14% of an overall class than 14% of 20% of the overall class.</p>
<p>^ I agree. I think they are saying that 20% of the class will immediately go to grad school. Then, they break it down further from there (for example) 14% is going to med school, 5% is going to law school, and 1% is going to business school. 14+5+1= 20%.</p>
<p>In case any of you think that 20% is very low, that is probably because most people who go to business school or sometimes law school gain a little work experience first. This 20% is only reflecting those being immediately placed in grad schools.</p>
<p>Wisconsinguy,</p>
<p>This is the link that D lists the information for graduates:</p>
<p>After</a> Dartmouth</p>
<p>You can see Medical School ranks fourth and cannot be 14% of total. They just changed this page a couple of days ago. Before that, it had the breakdown and law school was like 26% and medical school 14%.</p>
<p>Dmoose,</p>
<p>20% can be regarded as a good indicator. Sometimes, people go to graduate school because they cannot find a job. The low percent means Dartmouth does a good job of placing their graduates into job market.</p>
<p>Ok, there's the problem--it only considers the year directly after Dartmouth graduation. Since very few people go to medical school directly after college any more, it severely understates numbers--given time for all the data to come in (i.e., people finish up research assistantships, Fulbrights, etc.) and the number will be closer to 14% than 14% of 20%.</p>