<p>A first date should be cheap. Many guys ask girls out for coffee. Later on the girls suggest dinner. Why should he pay. She basically asked. </p>
<p>Dates should be opened on dates. it would be annoying to do it in a house or all the time.</p>
<p>So Okgirl you pay half the time?</p>
<p>Personally I like the system a lot of my friends in college have.</p>
<p>He pays for one dinner and entertainment. She cooks 2 dinners and usually gets him little gifts. Holidays are equal. Financially its pretty much equal. But after reading this thread most of the girls can't cook right.</p>
<p>From what I've seen these days guys cook better than girls.</p>
<p>MightyNick women are naturally better cooks but they aren't willing to learn. That's what I hate about relationships. Some guys end up cooking and paying. And submissive dudes like lethargytm indulge them and then that's what we have to do.</p>
<p>So can any girls cook better than guys on here?</p>
<p>I don't think they're naturally better. They're just expected to cook and men aren't, so this stereotype that they're better exists. Anyways, I wouldn't mind cooking for her but I don't wanna end up doing everything for her. That would just suck and if it persists I would dump her.</p>
<p>I can cook Indian/Paki, chinese food, and make really good coffee/tea. Not one girl in my family/group of friends can.</p>
<p>If a girl can't cook, expects you to pay whenever you go out, and makes you do everything for her, I don't see what she has to offer to the guy, except her looks..and even those fade over-time. Also, what's the deal with women not caring about their bodies when they're in a relationship? (most get fat and could care less about exercising).</p>
<p>mm salmon is my favorite.</p>
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hahah that's a huge, sweeping generalization & i don't even know if it's based on any truth at all. also, the idea that women are naturally good at cooking but too lazy to learn pretty much disgusts me.</p>
<p>lethargy--if a guy told me he was "old-fashioned," i'd probably go running the other way because that would give me super negative ideas about his values (aka they might - god forbid - be similar to those of collegehopeful).</p>
<p>Women are more likely to cook Italian, German, French, and anything hispaic whereas men usually cook the asian food.</p>
<p>I'm just saying a relationship should be 50/50.</p>
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<li>He pays , you cook</li>
<li>Both pay, both cook equally</li>
<li>Any equitable combination of paying and cooking</li>
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<p>So what goes on in actual college relationships? From people in them.</p>
<p>If a girl told me she was old -fashioned I'd run away too. It goes both ways.</p>
<p>I'm submissive because I like to pay for my dates/gfs, cook, and open doors for them? No. Its called being a man. What happened to being a gentleman? Am I the only one left among the young?</p>
<p>Crying about equality is nonsense. I like to treat my my women how I would treat my wine, with care and respect. Probably not the greatest metaphor but it's what I came up with.
And I wouldn't say I'm old fashioned. I like new and trendy things, but in some aspects of life its great if you leave it alone. Don't fix it if it ain't broke. One of those things is knowing how to treat a lady properly. </p>
<p>Okgirl. Thanks. I dont open car doors unless we are getting in. Going out of the car is stupid. </p>
<p>salmon it is.</p>
<p>And I like to cook italian, french, asian, american, dutch and some australia/UK. But I like food. And guys are usually better at cooking because they get more attention from the media. Although Ramsay is awesome</p>
<p>You're submissive because you're playing the role of a man and a woman. Just wondering do you get as much as you give? Does she treat you with the same care, respect and willingness to give? You seem to be a doormat to me. No thats not called being a man. A man has a backbone and expects things to be 50/50.</p>
<p>why would i do things like that for a girl that i dont like? if youre implying that i'm a tool, then no. What do I get? mutual affection? a friend? memories? and not to mention all the other things like sex eventually? </p>
<p>I like to open doors. I love to cook. I love girls.
Combine all three and you get me. I do for what I love because it is my passion.</p>
<p>That's your answer. She gets free movies, dinners out , dinners cooked and you get her presence? Sex is a mutually pleasurable activity and its not a gift. You do all that for sex. Change your name to John. That's what you seem to be.</p>
<p>I never said I do this for sex. I can hire a hooker if I wanted sex, and it would be cheaper too. I like spoiling whoever I like. Is that oh so terrible of me? They dont ask for it, I give. I like to give because I enjoy giving more than receiving. That doesn't just mean with girls, its with everyone who I like. </p>
<p>I dont understand why you are so bitter. Perhaps something in the past?</p>
<p>Guys like lethargy are the exact reason that girls have such a bad entitlement complex. </p>
<p>lethargy, opening doors, cooking, and paying for dates all have nothing to do with being a man. But at least one of them has to do with being a chump.</p>
<p>I never said I do this for sex. I can hire a hooker if I wanted sex, and it would be cheaper too. I like spoiling whoever I like. Is that oh so terrible of me? They dont ask for it, I give. I like to give because I enjoy giving more than receiving. That doesn't just mean with girls, its with everyone who I like.</p>
<p>That's fine if you like giving. But that's different from defining a man as someone that -gives- to women.</p>
<p>So you give to guys too? </p>
<p>Russell7 guys like him are awesome. You realize for every submissive guy like that there is an equally submissive woman. We should find those women and then meet up with Russell's girls and laugh about the chumps we found. We'll make sure they cook for that part too ok? Agreed.</p>
<p>A man gives as much as he gets. A man is confident and realizes he is worthy of getting the same treatment he gives. A man doesn't cater to women. And I hate to say it but girls find guys like him to be doormats. They'll be with you but they won't respect you. They'll feel resentful of you putting yourself in that submissive role. You'll be the guy providing his wife with the good life while she'd home all day with Juan the gardener.</p>
<p>I dont pay for every single date. That would make me poor. But what happened to chivalry? Obviously you guys are bitter about something. </p>
<p>I guess I'm a chump.</p>
<p>and college, I am not submissive. And do I give to guys too? To my closest friends, yes. Nobody likes *******s</p>
<p>*I dont pay for every single date. That would make me poor. But what happened to chivalry? Obviously you guys are bitter about something.</p>
<p>I guess I'm a chump.*</p>
<p>Yeah, maybe you didn't get the memo. Chivalry died when ladies became endangered. There's no room for gentleman (or at least, the definition of a gentleman has definition changed) without ladies. I don't mean that women are rotten whores or anything, but women are no longer lady-like and chivalry existed in an age where women made no money and each gender had to assume certain roles. The times are changing and you're clinging to an outdated tradition.</p>
<p>I'm not really bitter, but I'm a bit irritated with a lot of women's attitude toward this sort of thing and it's guys like you that are enabling them.</p>
<p>Chivalry is opening doors. Agreed. Not paying for dates.</p>
<p>Just saying I do you get as much as you give or close to it? And her presence/sex doesn't count.</p>
<p>And people don't know chivalry was all about? It was made by men to trick women its a sign of respect. It was to prevent women from having a say in any decision, forcing them to cook and clean for men, dote on men. Chivalry is a friendly form of condescension. It was all about dominance and keeping women in their place.</p>
<p>ahh don't worry so much about the bill. I pick up the bill without thinking about it to be honest. Just be nonchalant about it. The bill isn't the important moral of the story though, its the fact of having the upper hand. You always have to make her work for you and not vice versa. As soon as you are working for her, its all over.</p>
<p>monetarily? probably not. time and effort spent into the relationship? yes.</p>
<p>i seriously dont think you have to work for a girl or vice versa. thats dumb.</p>
<p>I am done arguing this. Clearly neither of our opinions will change. I just wanted to know some good ideas for a date around college campus during the summer.</p>