<p>If she liked Bucknell, she should like Gettysburg & Miami of Ohio & College Of Wooster & Denison--as they are all quite preppy.
Rodney: The maps are sold at Barnes & Noble Booksellers.</p>
<p>Hi rodney.
Here are a few options for ya. I LOVE this map!
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<p>I checked the Barnes & Noble website for the map and it didn't show up. I've not seen the map in many stores. I bought mine on line a few years ago. Try the publisher Hedberg</a> Maps, Inc. - Custom College, City, Regional and Specialty Maps</p>
<p>**** Yay!! here it is !! Hedberg</a> Maps, Inc. - Custom College, City, Regional and Specialty Maps</p>
<p>To Cindysphinx:</p>
<p>Just some suggestions on colleges you may not have thought of:</p>
<p>College of Charleston ( you had U of Charleston, don't know if this is the same)</p>
<p>Rhodes</p>
<p>Christian Brothers University (okay, it's Catholic, but a great small school)</p>
<p>Coastal Carolina</p>
<p>Hampden Sydney (may be all male still, but others nearby are coed now)</p>
<p>Sewanee-College of the South</p>
<p>I'm mentioning some of these southern ones since you had Vanderbilt on your list. </p>
<p>Many of my nephews' and son's friends have gone to these schools and loved them.</p>
<p>My son did a summer program at American and loved it.</p>
<p>We have friends with two sons that went to Fordham and loved it.</p>
<p>Loyola Chicago is a great school, if she's willing to go to Northwestern. </p>
<p>My son's set on Marquette now, but he's looking forward to visiting Catholic.</p>
<p>We're from the south, so he's looking forward to snow. </p>
<p>We don't have basements, but son definitely wants to go far away.</p>
<p>Good luck with your search.</p>
<p>OP, first of all, I must say that you must be a wonderful mother who has a great daughter. At the same stage, to get our DD to listen to her mom for 2 seconds would be impossible. She would be two miles away when she sensed her mom was about to open her mouth. </p>
<p>Secondly, I think safety is way overrated, unless it is for financial reasons. I saw they have alreday brought back that poor andi story. Out of millions students who applied to college, the whole CC probably has probably two such examples. The rest of the students did just fine.</p>
<p>I just could not see a possibility that a student could love a school he/she could get in for sure.</p>
<p>Cindy- Can you clarify
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Texas, the southwest and the south are non-starters.
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Does she have rigid geographical parameters? Are they dealbreakers? If so, what are they?</p>
<p>Another good school</p>
<p>Davidson, I think in North Carolina</p>
<p>Auburn, in Alabama, great school, not as big as you'd think</p>
<p>Millsaps, in Jackson, Mississippi</p>
<p>Spring Hill, in Mobile, Alabama, small school that many of my friends' children have loved</p>
<p>Clemson, South Carolina, heard a sister school of Auburn, another sport school with great academics</p>
<p>If you're in the MD area, has she thought of Johns Hopkins? We went to a presentation on it a couple of weeks ago, and we're actually thinking of applying there. It's a reach, but worth a try. Worst they can say is no.</p>
<p>Up towards Boston, WPI, Worcester Polytechnic Institute, a friends' son loves it there for engineering, and Tufts, very impressed with at a recent college night.</p>
<p>Some good colleges in Ohio, Case Western, John Carroll, a hidden gem, Xavier</p>
<p>Good luck! Keep us posted! My son is a junior. Y'all are really educating me.</p>
<p>OK, do NOT tell D I gave you the list. Every single one of you is sworn to secrecy, you got that?</p>
<p>Georgetown
William and Mary
Brown (didn't visit)
Northwestern (didn't visit)
Bucknell
U of MD
College of Charleston (didn't visit; best pal loves it)</p>
<p>Dickenson is the one she dropped.</p>
<p>She visited and rejected (from memory):</p>
<p>Emory
Elon
Davidson
UNC
Duke
BC
BU
Amherst
Wesleyan
Tufts
Villanova
Penn
[edit: Oh, and Lehigh. Which she hated more than life itself, based on the town. She refused to set foot on the campus.]</p>
<p>She looks ill at the mention of any other DC school other than Georgetown. Non-starters, all. I couldn't even get a nibble with Hopkins. I think she is warming to the idea of considering schools not within driving distance, especially if it will get her away from the swarm of top-notch kids from our area.</p>
<p>This is tough!</p>
<p>Well, it is tough for you, but look at what you have done for us - given us something new to talk about now that the election is over. Thank you. ;)</p>
<p>
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Georgetown
William and Mary
Brown (didn't visit)
Northwestern (didn't visit)
Bucknell
U of MD
College of Charleston (didn't visit; best pal loves it)
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</p>
<p>So, where is the reach?</p>
<p>
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The question is how to get the child to be more open to putting the effort into applying to schools that do not fulfill a dream.
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<p>I'm not sure what the dream is. It seems very fuzzy to me. I like the idea of making a list of pros and cons. That will help her lighten up a bit and focus on what matters most. It sounds like attitude and college admissions overload are getting in the way. (This time last year, I was about to go nuts, so you're not alone.) </p>
<p>I would also encourage her to put a moratorium on college talk with her friends. Last year, my son and his friends rarely discussed where they were applying; children of my friends who go to other high schools seemed to follow the same unspoken rule. It reduces the stress level, but most of all it helps each kid focus on what matters to him or her, not on Susie's opinions about the food at X, or the blonde cheerleader's top choice, or the terrible class that Mary sat in on at Y. It's just too much information.</p>
<p>A piece of anecdotal information: My son was rejected at his two reach schools though he was in the bottom of the top 25% at both. I would never in a million years have discouraged him from applying, but he knew that getting in would be like winning the lottery. All the rest were very safe bets, chosen because they offered the field of study he wanted. So yes, Dad II, it is possible to be happy at a school where you know you will be accepted, and I'm sure you'll find ample evidence of that on CC.</p>
<p>Edit: Hmmm. Now that I see your list, I see the dilemma.</p>
<p>Reaches are everything other than Bucknell, Charleston and U of MD.</p>
<p>You know, my son really did not like his safeties or matches. Basically, he was grudgingly willing to go to our local flagship U if he didn't get into his first choice school, and he would definitely have made the best of it... He just wasn't wild about any schools really, except his first choice, and I don't think any additional schools would have helped. I guess the question is, is your D the type of person who would settle in and make the best of things at the safety U? I knew my son would, so we didn't add any more schools in. (and luckily, he got into his top choice.)</p>
<p>DadII, I have no idea how you can ask "where are the reaches?" One kid's reach is another kid's match. We don't even know this girl's profile! </p>
<p>For that matter, for MOST kids, Brown, Georgetown and Northwestern are reaches due to their low admit rates. That is even if your stats are WELL within the parameters of admitted students. If your stats are in the lower half of admitted students, it is even MORE of a reach given the low admit rates to boot. </p>
<p>By the way, I had a student get into William and Mary last year. She had taken the most rigorous classes, had a perfect GPA and was val. She had many committed long term ECs and had reached the top in those in her region. It is not so easy to get in there. She also was from MD. We know nothiong about the OP's D. Did she take the MOST rigorous courses available? Does she have a 3.9 or 4.0 uw GPA? Does she have over 1400 on the CR/M SAT? Is she in the top 10% of her HS class?</p>
<p>Nobody said you had to love your safety as much as your dream reaches. But you should like enough things about it in order to attend. My older D's safety schools were Lehigh and Conn College and she liked them enough to attend. They were not her favorites but they met enough of her selection criteria to apply and attend. </p>
<p>For that matter, one of my D's match schoosl, Smith, she preferred over a reach school she was admitted to (U of Pennsylvania). </p>
<p>Also, my kids tried hard to not have ONE singular dream school which I think is key. They liked every school on their list, some more than others. They had a small group of "favorites" but not ONE single one.</p>
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Not last spring but the spring before, one of the top suburban schools in our area saw almost all of its top ten students heading straight to our state flagship, which is great, but they were headed there with no other college options - had applied only to reaches and the state u.</p>
<p>MidwestMom, the val at our HS the year before my D, did not get into her reach schools and ended up at UVM (which is a great school and vals get a free ride). Just saying, this happens! I had a student last year who only got into her safety school (was a carefully chosen school, not her state U). Pick the safeties CAREFULLY.</p>
<p>cindy, I think it would be wise for you to have a good look at that scattergram that ellemenope posted even though it is not your HS. It is very telling! It gives a realistic picture. </p>
<p>Ya know, I have a niece who applied to Brown. She was a legacy there. She was in a full IB program. Her SATs were higher than it sounds like your D's are. She had a very committed EC area (not her only one but it is her main passion and what she is going to school for) and had achievements on the state level in that interest area. She was even from Alaska, much more atypical than an applicant from suburban DC. She was waitlisted and did not get in. This is a common story!</p>
<p>I was ambivalent about visiting too many schools with S (now a freshman). I felt taking him to see too many super-reach schools was like taking someone to a candy store and telling them they couldn't eat any of it. And taking him to visit match/safeties might turn him off (if the weather, tour guide, or stars in the heavens were ill-fated) to a school that, in reality, could be his best choice down the road. He went on a trip to see east coast schools and felt he'd seen enough. So after his basic list of schools with the top programs in his major was devised, including some reaches and safeties, I suggested about 4 more schools that he should add, even without seeing them. The plan was--in April when he saw which schools had sent acceptances, he could go visit or re-visit them and make a much more valid choice--since he was in at all of them. In addition, we found that the schools that really want your student will often offer incentives. One school flew my son there for a weekend and he interviewed for a wonderful merit scholarship. Sometimes feeling the love from a school can really matter during the days when some other schools are sending rejections.</p>
<p>And just a suggestion. Perhaps you can ask you D to refrain from saying she "hates" a school? Suggest she instead say: It doesn't look good to me now. I know how teens can see things in only black and white sometimes, but the process of applying to college is a big lesson in how to cope. Even for us old moms.</p>
<p>Dad2--you always crack me up!</p>
<p>Having seen the list (and tried to understand the logic of this kid), I think it would be a great idea to add a safety or two and maybe a match from the midwest. </p>
<p>A lot of her motivations seem to be based on what her peers are thinking/doing and what they will think/say when she finally announces where she is going. She will feel better if her peers haven't heard of the schools where she is applying and possibly attending. It will also help your D to see another part of the country and get out of the narrow mindset that she seems to be trapped in.</p>
<p>(I hope this post doesn't get duplicated and if it does, I apologize).</p>