Davidson Junior Day Trip Report

<p>S and I attended “A Day for Juniors” yesterday. This program was billed to “jump-start your college search with this one-day program that gives you the scoop – and introduces you to one college that may top your list – Davidson.” <a href="http://www2.davidson.edu/admission/visit_opps-jrday.asp%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www2.davidson.edu/admission/visit_opps-jrday.asp&lt;/a> The program was laid-out to first give one a detailed tour, then allow you to sit in on several sessions about the college search and selection process, as well as hear about Davidson itself. Altogether, I thought the day was extremely well run, especially considering the >330 HS junior students they entertained, plus attendant families, numbers-wise, being probably something a little short of half their student body size.</p>

<p>We lucked out on weather....atypically cold, but sunny & clear. The herds of students and families assembled in the student union around noon, & broke into tour groups of 10 to 12 students w/ tagalongs for the tour. Out of our group, we were the only mid-atlantic representation, one from Ct, and the rest from the eastern southeast ranging from Virginia to Florida. As one of my pet peeves is diversity, I’ll make several comments about this through this report.....all lily white in our group...Of the other groups we kept crossing, perhaps I saw 2 families of color, I'm sure there were more, but a noticable dearth of people of color. The facilities at Davidson are very well kept....the place looked very nice, and fulfilled the college look & feel. Lots of stately buildings, particularly ones with big southern-style columns, distributed throughout the park-like campus. Definitely feels like college. Lots & lots of boxwoods, further bolstering the southern gentile ambiance. The buildings inside were all very well maintained, from the more modern science facilities (I learned that Davidson has a fairly strong natural sciences program.....something the tour guides stressed due to the perception that many people believe natural sciences and the liberal arts are mutually exclusive.) Many nice small auditorium spaces, and the architecture was varied enough throughout the buildings to make me think that it wouldn’t get boring over 4 years.</p>

<p>I won’t bore you with too many other physical details, other than my take-away that Davidson definitely feels like a campus-centric college and is very well maintained with loads of great infrastructure.</p>

<p>After the tours, the program started in the main auditorium in the union, with Christopher Gruber, the admissions dean, introducing the program & the colleges president, “Bobby” Vagt. Both very impressive leaders. (During the tour, our guide mentioned that Pres Vagt got upset if he wasn’t addressed as “Bobby”....apparently, he knows everyone’s name, and is very personable, a quality which came through during his short intro to Davidson.) Bobby apologized for having a horse voice as he had quite a bit of self-expression at the prior day’s two varsity events. (I heard much pride through the day about Davidson’s traditional commitment to D1 sports...”always trying to achieve the best in academics and athletics” or something like that.) He seemed like a very straight shooter to me, with his speech entitled “why not to come to Davidson.” The primary message I heard reinforced what I already believed: that Davidson is first & foremost committed to strong academics. I also liked his discussion of Davidson’s deep commitment to their honor policy, which sounds like it goes well beyond most I have heard about elsewhere.</p>

<p>Next stop, they split the entire student-family group into 2 contingents for panel discussions. In our session, we had 3 students and 2 professors, all very articulate (as one would expect). The messages that rang clear were Davidson’s flexibility in creating learning experiences or custom majors to suit just about any interest, and the variety of such experiences for such a small college, including extensive travel abroad opportunities & research opportunities. Can’t remember when I heard this tidbit too, Davidson has a great track record with graduate school placement, with a med school acceptance rate of >90%.....that seemed pretty impressive to me. My biggest complaint was what appeared to me, the diversity skeptic, as a somewhat contrived group of 3 students: 2 were students of color, not exactly representative of the student body. My skepticism has rubbed off on my S, as his comment was something like “what would expect them to do?...they need to try to show their commitment to diversity.” Immediately after this session, we were entertained by a dance troop in the union, which furthered my contrived impression....2 of the troop were African Americans & type of dance was rap/rhythm....while I certainly appreciated the effort to show that Davidson embraces many forms of expression, it still seemed contrived. [Final note on the diversity thing....all that I have heard about Davidson’s diversity challenge here on CC rang true....they are definitely less diverse that other esteemed institutions and attempted to show their institutional commitment to diversity, but I still have a nagging feeling that it is less of a priority than other institutional commitments....doesn’t mean its “off the list”. Just a concern.]</p>

<p>Final stop was one of 4 sessions, ranging from financial aid ins&outs to getting the most out of campus visits. We chose to attend the “selective college admissions” session, led by Christopher Gruber. It was geared to give the audience a broad understanding of the selective college admissions process, with Davidson’s emphasis included. Very good session, and although I didn’t learn too much due to my wonderful prior grounding here on CC, this was a wonderful session for my S to hear. I think the lightbulb is finally going off! That is, his interest & understanding of what this major life decision is all about definitely took a turn for the better. Went through the standard laundry list (speaking of laundry....Davidson does the laundry for all of its students....S DEFINITELY liked this perk) of competitive admissions criteria: grades & courses, standardized tests, and “PQ’s”....personal qualities. On courses, I learned that Davidson likes to see 4 HS years in the basics: English, math, lab sciences, language, and history. Not 3, but 4. On SATs, I did learn something new, with regard to Davidson’s approach. As their Common Data Set (latest on posted below) notes, SATs are only in the “considered” category, not “very important” or “important”....this is true, as Gruber noted that Davidson looks at SAT 1’s a little differently than many other colleges, with grades & courses greatly dominating the standardized testing. However, he noted that they like to look at SAT 2’s (achievement, subject tests) as these tests are reinforcement for what a student learned in their courses. Finally, he spent quite a bit of time discussing PQ’s. Here’s his list in Davidson’s priority I believe:
1. Essays
2. Recommendations (including a peer rec...make sure your “friend” is realy your friend!)
3. EC’s
4. honors & awards
5. relationships (e.g., legacy)
6. Interviews</p>

<p>Davidson’s commitment & value on community service and volunteerism rang through in this session, as well as throughout the day.</p>

<p>OK, we had to leave before the session was over to catch a plane.....altogether a great visit. My impressions were not altered, but reinforced, good & bad. S definitely liked the place, but wonders if its too small. I would recommend to any parent with child not yet totally engaged to seek out such a “junior day” experience. S & I chatted for a good hour or 2 about pros & cons and general college selection process following our Davidson experience. Biggest regret was not planning in more college visits while we were on the road.....Wake & others, if for no other reason than for comparison purposes.</p>

<p>Here’s Davidson’s latest Common Data Set (05-06): <a href="http://www2.davidson.edu/administration/adm/ir/ir_cds.asp%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www2.davidson.edu/administration/adm/ir/ir_cds.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I visited Davidson twice with my D last year. Agree that it is a fine institution with great facilities and top-notch academics but perhaps just a little too much emphasis on athletics. Faculty and staff were terrific and welcoming and a full professor spent an hour with my D discussing the music program. D applied and was accepted but also felt that it was too small for her tastes with too limited a choice of majors and she wanted to go to school in a bigger city in a different part of the country (we live in the south). Terrific report.</p>

<p>I was just made aware of a typo....gentile should read genteel (LOL, I could never spell well).....boxwoods & columned buildings, has a bit of a UVa feel.</p>

<p>Yeah. Terrific report, Papa. </p>

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<p>That's the best part of the report! Parents can be so much more helpful in the college search when Junior gives us a little something to work with!</p>

<p>'twas a bit cold but weather was nice. Your descriptions are accurate. Davidson is what it is. The results of the student elections were just released and an african american male was elected vice-president of the student government. I understand your comments about some aspects of the tour appearing contrived-but what is an administration to do?</p>

<p>nice report, pc.</p>

<p>Davidson does have a history of 'service'. One thing I notice on Davidson's common data set is that Volunteer experience is a "Very Important" admissions critieria. Did they address that issue at all in the discussions?</p>

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<p>Oh, that's one of the best typos ever. Particularly re a school that has recently struggled with how much of an influence it's historically "southern gentile" roots will have!</p>

<p>hubbell-- that is good news to hear. </p>

<p>I didn't want to dwell too much on the diversity thing, as it is probably not an issue for all, and the pluses of a school like Davidson are truly impressive. But here’s a further attempt to articulate the issue, at least to me.</p>

<p>The mere fact that these ”contrived” displays were made, supported by all of the prior discussions I’ve read from you and other insiders (who know more than I) giving credence to Davidson’s commitment to diversity, show me that Davidson is on what I’d call the right path. (Hence it is still definitely “on the list.”) I agree about "what is an administration to do?".....being a relative northerner, and a city dweller to boot, my perspectives on starting point for the evolution and progress of diversification are bound to be different that a southern perspective, albeit Davidson can be argued as more progressive than most. These things take time, generations in fact. If I were the administration (& actually knew how to run a college, which I don't), and were handed the mission of increasing diversity, while maintaining the character of the institution, I would probably be doing exactly the same thing, taking it slow (at least that’s how it seems to me)...by first promoting the advancement of persons of color within the existing student body and displaying the institution's commitment to that advancement through events like yesterday's. I guess the bottom line is that I am impatient, and am accustomed to (but have not debated the pros & cons of) more aggressive recruiting to infuse more diversity (racial & ethnic that is), like some other colleges (e.g., Williams, Dickinson) have apparently done. I am very much an amateur in this area (how to actually increase diversity), but I get a sense that its a bit more evolved when I see a college make pronouncements about their strive to increase diversity (all kinds) & having that commitment reflected by a conspicuous diversity office or well-advertised campaign, or something like that (signaling that they know there is an issue & are committed to changing). This next stage of diversification, if you can call it that, goes beyond promoting from within, its focused on student-body building. That's what I guess it boils down to... my perhaps unreasonable impatience with that part of the program, as I haven’t seen much of that. Doing what Davidson is doing may in fact be exactly the "right" way to balance all of their institutional imperatives, given their genesis and where they are now. Hard to judge, but certainly worthy of this discussion.</p>

<p>Let me also make clear that my concern about diversity doesn't make me believe that Davidson is not committed. The "contrived" displays as I may have harshly coined do show me that Davidson is more progressive than some, just not the leaders of the pack. I heard it with my own ears that the students want (more) diversity, and with the administration’s apparent progress in this area, I have little doubt that Davidson will someday be the diversity star that I would expect from such a fine national institution.</p>

<p>ps...I am a gentile :) but not terribly genteel!</p>

<p>blue-- yes, I went into the sessions knowing of the volunteerism importance, and did hear its mentioned several times. One of our student panelists talked at some length about the schools commitment to community and volunteer programs, as she spent 10 hrs/week doing such as a college student. I believe both the admissions director and pres mentioned this general theme, that is, Davidson students as dedicated to community. Ironically, I don't recall a specific mention of "volunteering" in the selective admissions talk, perhaps a brief mention of community service and volunteering under the EC's discussion, but not the "very important" consideration noted in the CDS. I'd say though, it would be a very safe bet that such experience is very highly regarded not only during a Davidson student's college experience, but also as an admissions plus.</p>

<p>Excellent report Papa Chicken. Thank you.</p>

<p><a href="http://www2.davidson.edu/common/templates/news/news_tmp03.asp?newsid=5839%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www2.davidson.edu/common/templates/news/news_tmp03.asp?newsid=5839&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>thanks all....inspired by quiltguru.</p>

<p>hey, one other small observation that my S (only a son would be so observant) noted to me....the visiting HS juniors were predominantly female.</p>

<p>I guess the big question, really, is how much they want diversity. As in how much money, and institutional compromise, are they willing to put into it? Since they claim SATs are just "considered", it can't be a problem of finding enough URMs with high enough SAT scores. Since they are Division I athletics (meaning many athletic scholarships), it isn't a matter of scholarship money, but that they value athletics above diversity. </p>

<p>I think it is perfectly fine for them to do so. It's a private college, and an extremely fine one. They make institutional choices, and those choices are reflected in the results.</p>

<p>Mini:</p>

<p>Total enrollment: 1714
Students receiving need-based aid: 585 (34%)
Students receiving merit aid: 385 (22%)
Students receiving athletic scholarships: 183 (11%)</p>

<p>Total operating expenditures: $77,893,770
Total athletics expenditures: $7,758,153</p>

<p>Papa Chicken, loved the report. To others who have trips coming up, please do college reports. They are so valuable to those who are looking at certain schools and aren't sure if they should make the trip. Besides, I love to live vicariously to those who are looking at LAC's, I have engineers in the family! LOL!</p>

<p>Papa Chicken, when you talked about "contrived" diversity, I thought about all of the engineering schools that we have toured. At every school on every panel we have ever been a part of, more than half of those talking are women and some of them are persons of color. When in fact, most of the schools that we have looked at women make up around 20% of engineering majors and persons of color around the same. So I wouldn't blame Davidison, maybe diversity is more wishful thinking than actual reality.</p>

<p>The best example of "contrived" diversity for us came when my D received viewbooks from Vanderbilt from back-to-back years. She noticed that the two viewbooks were identical except different student photos. But, sure enough, each photo position must have been designated by race and ethnicity. One year's "Asian kid" photo was simply replaced by a different "Asian kid" in the next year's viewbook, and so and so forth throughout the various races and ethnicities, like loading Noah's Arc.</p>

<p>I found some more data on the Davidson web, which helps me put their diversity progress in context. And it appears there has been some progress.</p>

<p>I hadn’t noticed the new 05-06 CDS until this morning; the previous 03-04 version had been up on the site for some time without posting the 04-05 (which I still cannot find) or the latest 05-06. Also, the institutional research page has been drastically updated since I last looked a month or 2 ago, with much more information (thank you Ms. LeFauve, Director of Planning and Institutional Research.)</p>

<p>Based on section B2 of the 03-04 CDS, the incoming class (class of ’07) had a minority share of 12.0%, counting Black, native American, Asian & Hispanic categories. The degree-seeking student body had a minority share by this count of 11.1%, and by calculation, the classes of ’04, ’05, + ’06 together had a share of 10.8%. Skipping two years to the 05-06 CDS, the incoming class of ’09 this fall had a minority share of 14.1%, an entire student body share of 12.8%, and a combined class of ’06, ’07, + ’08 of 12.2%. </p>

<p>This is steady progress, although there has been no pomp & circumstance celebration of this movement to my looking, but that may go along with the “genteel” approach.</p>

<p>By my measure then, Davidson has added about 1% to the minority population to each new incoming class in the last few years.</p>

<p>For a quick & somewhat dirty comparison, Williams (which conveniently provides similar historic stats on minority composition, <a href="http://www.williams.edu/admission/life_diversity.php%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.williams.edu/admission/life_diversity.php&lt;/a&gt;) went from about a 22-23% minority share (by their measure, not sure if its the same as above) to their current ~29% in the span of 3 years between the classes of ’04 and ’07, or roughly 2% increase per year per class. As Davidson is starting at a lower point, the relative growth is about the same....just that Davidson is a decade or 2 behind a Williams (interesteddad, didn’t you mention this phenomenon a while back?)</p>

<p>So, again by my rough measure & at this pace (assuming there does exist this unpronounced diversity effort), Davidson will get into the mid 20%’s in 6 to 8 years. Projecting out, a junior starting in a year & one half may have a class minority population pushing 16 or 17% (MUCH better than the numbers now reported in USNews...12%), with an incoming freshman class of the low 20%’s during their senior year. Of course, I’ll be watching to see that this highly simplified model comes true!</p>

<p>BTW, the latest Davidson IR data (<a href="http://www2.davidson.edu/administration/adm/ir/ir_factfile.asp%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www2.davidson.edu/administration/adm/ir/ir_factfile.asp&lt;/a&gt;) may also begin to placate a criticism of the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education surveys, which called out Davidson for not reporting enrollment data and minority faculty info. Open & honest reporting is a good thing.</p>

<p>The reality is that Davidson has a higher percentage of African-American students than Swarthmore already, which is perhaps surprising, given Swarthmore's location near major American cities, or perhaps not, given Swarthmore's institutional priorities. The big difference in the student bodies between Davidson and Williams/Swarthmore (especially the later) is in 1) percentage of Asian-American students, and 2) percentage of low-income students. The first one would be difficult for a relatively rural school in the South to change (I hate the Asian-American term, as it covers so many different kinds of people.) Or any rural school for that matter (Williams similarly trails its peer group.) The second one is subject to the college's choices (neither Williams nor Swarthmore are swimming in low-income students either.)</p>

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<p>That's not accurate.</p>

<p>Here are the breakdowns for fall 2005 enrollments:</p>

<p>Swarthmore</p>

<p><a href="http://www.swarthmore.edu/Admin/institutional_research/RaceSex.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.swarthmore.edu/Admin/institutional_research/RaceSex.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>African American: 6.9%
Hispanic: 9.5%
Native American: 0.7%
Asian American: 15.3%
Unknown: 14.1%
White: 47.3%</p>

<p>International: 6.3%</p>

<p>Total domestic students of color: 32.3%</p>

<p>Qualifying for need-based aid: 50%
Students with family income under $40,000: 11%
Students with family income under $60,000: 17%</p>

<p>Davidson</p>

<p><a href="http://www2.davidson.edu/administration/admin_docs/2005-06_Factfile/FF05-06%20FallEnr-EthDist.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www2.davidson.edu/administration/admin_docs/2005-06_Factfile/FF05-06%20FallEnr-EthDist.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>African American: 5.9%
Hispanic: 4.1%
Native American: 0.4%
Asian American: 2.3%
Unknown: 5.8%
White: 78.1%</p>

<p>International: 3.4%</p>

<p>Total domestic students of color: 12.7%</p>

<p>Qualifying for need-based aid: 34%
Students with family income under $40,000:
Students with family income under $60,000:</p>

<p>As for enrolling Asian American students, the North Carolina location does not appear to hamper Duke, just a couple of hours up the road. Likewise, it does not explain why Davidson's Asian American enrollment has declined from 2.9% in fall '96 to 2.3% in fall '05 -- a timeframe that has seen skyrocketing Asian American enrollment at most elite colleges. However, if we want to look at geographical distribution and the ethnicity of underlying populations, I would point out that 9.5% of Swarthmore's students come from the region with the highest black population (the Southeast) versus 47.4% of Davidson's enrollment.</p>

<p>It IS accurate, based on the Class of '09 enrollments. Not only that, but in absolute numbers, the difference will be even larger (as there are simply more students at Davidson.)</p>

<p><a href="http://www2.davidson.edu/administration/admin_docs/2005-06_Factfile/FF05-06%20CO2009%20EthComp.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www2.davidson.edu/administration/admin_docs/2005-06_Factfile/FF05-06%20CO2009%20EthComp.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I think this is quite striking, as one is a long-standing liberal Quaker school on the outskirts of Philadelphia (and within easy reach of Baltimore, Washington, and New York City, where recruitment would be relatively easy), and one a school in rural North Carolina with a relatively conservative reputation.</p>

<p>Neither of these places, of course, are "hotbeds of diversity", and there is no particular reason why they should be, having chosen other institutional priorities. Swarthmore seems to have chosen high SAT scores, etc. as their singular priority, and has difficulty competing for such students with Ivies, etc. Davidson has chosen high-ranking academically talented students, tempered with a need for athletes, and a need-based financial aid budget that doesn't stretch very far, making it difficult for AA students to find an easy admissions niche.</p>