<p>BCgoUSC, although you are conservative and I am liberal, I totally agree with you hee.</p>
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Thats kinda hard to do seeing how the sinner is the one who purposefully committed the sin.
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However, if you're a Christian, your faith requires you to turn the other cheek.
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Why don't we debate the Patriot Act, since its up for renewal now. I think that the entire Act should be renewed. It gives authorities power to stop terrorism, and is very much needed. Anyone disagree?
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The thing about the Patriot Act is that it's very open to abuse. It gives the FBI and CIA too much power, and infringes on the personal right to privacy. It basically gives the FBI the power to investigate citizens based on things they are entitled to do under the Constitution. It should never have been allowed on the books in the first place.</p>
<p><em>sigh</em> I hate to jump into the fray here..</p>
<p>The act of marriage is not a right, it is a privilege. The benefits provided by the act of marriage, however, is a right. </p>
<p>Call it civil union, marriage -- whatever you desire. Allow individual religions grant marriages to whoever they wish -- it is not an American right for you to be wed in a Catholic cathedral. You cannot, however, strip a couple, heterosexual or homosexual, of their right to the same tax breaks as a married couple, the same power of attorney rights, et cetera.</p>
<p>I'll finish this later.</p>
<p>However, if you're a Christian, your faith requires you to turn the other cheek.</p>
<p>My faith requires me to do nothing and dont tell me what it does and does not do. </p>
<p>"Hate the sin, not the sinner" then honestly you can't call yourself a good Judeo/Christian person.</p>
<p>BCgoUSC I am a Christian do not tell me I am not because I know what I am. Oh and you are a good CHristian eh? </p>
<p>When a gay couple marries, there is no such incidence, it DOESNT AFFECT ANYONE</p>
<p>UGH! you obviously dont understand. It does affect someone. It affects me ok? ANd im sure it affects the others or they wouldnt have argued against it!!!!! IF IT DIDNT AFFECT THEM WHY WOULD THEY CARE!</p>
<p>You say that gays were abused. But you havent defended yourself when I talked about Michael Jackson and Dick Cheneys daughter.</p>
<p>OK fine I guess i have to refute every word you say then now. Maybe Dick Cheney's daughter didnt get enough attention from her mother when she was a baby. Who knows?</p>
<p>Turn the other cheek?
ElCommando, it is part of your faith, if you are a Christian to spread God's word and that is to love all but recognize where there is sin.</p>
<p>"UGH! you obviously dont understand. It does affect someone. It affects me ok? "</p>
<p>Let's deny 20 million+ Americans their constitutional rights because ElCommando disagrees! Stellar logic. I'm floored.</p>
<p>Anyway...Illegal immigration really ****es me off. There was some woman on the radio today who basically said that she thought illegal immigrants should be receiving social security benefits because many of them, based on the fact that they secure jobs using FAKE social security cards, are forced to pay into the system. Boo-f'ing-hoo. I can't believe someone could actually argue that illegal immigrants should be rewarded for breaking the law. The reasoning there baffles me.</p>
<p>I also hate when people accuse you of being anti-immigrant when you oppose illegal immigration.</p>
<p>El Douche, looks like you are ****ed. You are now talking non-sense. You havent yet responded to my post. Let me be specific:</p>
<p>1.Now i know not all gays are like Jackson but i still think they have a personal reason why they CHOSE to be gay.
Is there any proof that gays choose to be gay? I dont think you substantiated this.</p>
<p>2."EXACTLY THEY WANT TO FEEL SORRY FOR THEMSELVES!! now we are getting somewhere.
Is there there anything to substanciate this?</p>
<p>3.Surveys can be accurate but what if the survey was taken in San Franscisco? Then obviously the % is going to be low.
Did I SAY the survey was in San Francisco? The survey was taken NATIONALLY.</p>
<p>All you end up saying is this: OK fine I guess i have to refute every word you say then now. Maybe Dick Cheney's daughter didnt get enough attention from her mother when she was a baby. Who knows?</p>
<p>If you had to say the above quote, then why did you lay out the point that people became gay because they were abused in the first place? Stop shifting from one idea to another. Learn how your conservative buddies approach the topic and actually DEBATE!!</p>
<p>Obviously you have nothing solid to say to support your wild claims, and so you are being ignorant. I dont think that you can provide any coherent statements to make regarding gay marriages from here on, so why dont you talk about something else, such as abortion?</p>
<p>ctrain890,i am almost certain that both liberals and conservatives (including elcommando) agree over the immigration issue.</p>
<p>I believe that the president should act quickly to prevent the worsening of the situation.</p>
<p>The president is the one with the warped ideas about it. If you can avoid the police for 5 years, let's make you a citizen!</p>
<p>Yes, I do believe the president's response is somewhat awkward. It is not fair that immigrants can get social security because of making fake ss cards.</p>
<p>Everything doing with the immigration "crisis" is unconstitutional. People actually get rewarded for doing something illeegal? HA!</p>
<p>"Now i know not all gays are like Jackson but i still think they have a personal reason..." (my quote)</p>
<p>Stop shifting from one idea to another (your quote)</p>
<p>Do you understand? Do i have to talk slower? I am saying that there are different reasons why people chose to become gay. That is not "shifting" from one idea to another that is just allowing for more than one explanation as to their decisions. </p>
<p>If you want to say i dont have any info heres you:</p>
<p>1) The survey was taken NATIONALLY</p>
<p>2) when a gay couple marries, there is no such incidence, it DOESNT AFFECT ANYONE</p>
<p>3) ??? did i miss anything because you are just telling me i dont have facts when you havent supplied much either.</p>
<p>WHen i have time i will refute you but i cant right now.</p>
<p>"Turn the other cheek?"</p>
<p>Hey BCgoUSC that was a quote i got from the above person. I would never say something as ignorant as that about my own religion.</p>
<p>Ctrain why do blacks always have to bring up slavery? You were never in slavery, you were never put under "the lash" so what is your problem? Do you feel you deserve compensation, or an apology like Clinton gave? I was never bitter against Britain about the American Revolution or about child labor. Yes slavery was a little different but so what? Every race goes through harships and they dont have a right to demand rewards from even that race. Remember its all about forgiveness. The Christians back in ROman times never begged for money or services from the Romans who sent them to be eaten by lions.</p>
<p>I'd like to address the statement that gay marriage doesn't affect me. The truth is, that it does. Marriage, whether gay or straight, effects each and every one of us. Marriage is the foundation of society. Without it, we'd be a bunch of cavemen (or cave people to be politically correct). By allowing homosexuals to marry, we'd be destroying the foundation of our society.</p>
<p>I agree with tlaktan's point that marriage is not a right it is a privelege. Gays should be entitled to the benefits and distadvantages of marriage, but their unions should not be called marriage because they simply aren't marriages.</p>
<p>I agree that marriage is a privilege. I also think that gays should get the minimum rights of marriage but they really aren't marriage and that privilege should be reserved for the truly married.</p>
<p>wow i took that compass thing and i was really close to Pope John Paul II. I think thats a good thing! SO now u know where i stand. anything else we might like to debate?</p>
<p>Alright, I would talk, but I too am politically drained from the election debates that took place. If you want, they are in the archive. It was some really heated discussion.</p>
<p>For the record though, I am a huge liberal.</p>
<p>I'm sure that the Pope believed in "hate the sin not the sinner though". Thats just a presumption though.</p>
<p>Anyone else take the politcalcompass.org test? Please post your results!</p>
<p>alright BC i thought about it and you are 100% right its just hard to do you know? but i guess ill have to.</p>
<p>Economic Left/Right: -4.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.00</p>
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1.Now i know not all gays are like Jackson but i still think they have a personal reason why they CHOSE to be gay.
Is there any proof that gays choose to be gay? I dont think you substantiated this.
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<p>You, my friend, have the burden of proof. You brought forth the claim and said that the homosexuality was intrinsic; thus, the burden of proof is on you. </p>
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3.Surveys can be accurate but what if the survey was taken in San Franscisco? Then obviously the % is going to be low.
Did I SAY the survey was in San Francisco? The survey was taken NATIONALLY.
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<p>Surveys can be manipulated any way desired. You have no idea where in the nation the survey was conducted, what questions were asked, etc. You also have no idea whether or not true answers were given.</p>