Deterioration of UCLA

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<p>Now you just sound like one of those hippy evangelists on Bruin walk. THE END IS NEAR! SAVE YOURSELVES!</p>

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<p>What rah rah are you even talking about? When people ask questions about class sizes and things like that, they get honest answers. There’s absolutely no need to bump a thread to point out an issue that was resolved months ago. You never posted any evidence, just a list of articles that for the most don’t say anything new.</p>

<p>Ugh, ■■■■■■ that get offended when people reply to them are the worst.</p>

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<p>BayBoi,</p>

<p>Give me a break. UCLA, like Berkeley, is largely privately funded and operates fairly autonomously from Berkeley. Both schools possess similar endowments and financial resources. </p>

<p>UCLA is no more “on the decline” than any of the other UCs. Relatively speaking, UCs are hurting more than other systems, but ALL of higher education is hurting right now, including major private universities (look at the carnage amongst Ivy endowments recently.) </p>

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<p>Sorry to break it to you, but EVERYONE has bad job prospects right now. It has very little to do with school reputation. California as a state is hurting to be sure, but even out here in NYC it ain’t exactly easy. But you know what HASN’T been a problem? My degree.</p>

<p>Here’s the thing I want to stress to all of you as you consider taking the ■■■■■■■■ to heart: nobody gives a damn about whether UCLA is having a good or bad year, funding-wise. Even here in NYC, a million miles away, I’ve never once had my education questioned. </p>

<p>BayBoi is just looking to get a rise out of people, and while I sort of fed him a bit, trust me when I say that he speaks with grains of truth wrapped up in huge rocks of salt. Take it as such.</p>

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<p>Here comes the spirit squad. Rah-rah-rah. UCLA is better than the ivies and all that. I swear you bruins make me want to puke. You define the word d-bag.</p>

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<p>^ Where exactly did he say UCLA is better than the ivies? Stop ■■■■■■■■…</p>

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<p>BayBoi, I appreciate your concern, but I’m pretty sure most of the people who are prospective students to UCLA are smart enough to not base their decisions based on CC alone.</p>

<p>People who come here are here because CC offers a place where questions can be asked and answers can be given. That’s not to say all of the answers given might be 100% true, but like I said, CC is merely another opinion.</p>

<p>Anyways, can someone answer my question from before? :stuck_out_tongue: Is it true that there are large amounts of students who take five years to graduate instead of four? Something about cut classes and such… Anyone? :)</p>

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<p>Ergo: I think the majority of students have no problem graduating on time. It just takes planning. I am a parent so I don’t have personal experience but so far my daughter (a sophomore) has been able to get all the classes she wants and will graduate on time while also studying abroad next year for a semester. The key thing is to start getting your GE’s done right away, pick carefully when you decide which classes to sign up during your first pass, and plan your next few quarters in advance the best you can. Some classes always fill up fast and those are the ones you want to sign up for during your first pass (you can register fro 10 units first pass, then the rest of your classes 2nd pass). True that freshman and sophomores have the worst registration times but that is normal. Just concentrate on GE’s which juniors and seniors aren’t taking. You may have to do a summer session here or there to get ahead or catch up if necessary but that’s not such a big deal. My older daughter goes to a very small LAC less than 2000 students). She had trouble getting classes sometimes because the school is so small certain classes aren’t offered all the time and when they are they fill up fast. So this is not an issue just for the UC’s but pretty much most colleges.</p>

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<p>Ergo,</p>

<p>Yes, a good number students will take 5 years to graduate. I am not entirely convinced, however, that that’s because the university always lacks the necessary resources for students to graduate on time, but that the university doesn’t offer the level of structure that would keep all students on the “4 year path.” Still, there are definitely issues with class availability, but that’s going to be a problem these days at nearly all major public universities.</p>

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Actually, this is what a lot of Berkeley students say. It’s all over their “ivy passers” Berkeley thread and college ACB and practically… everywhere. I think it’s because a lot of Berkeley students are in denial and disappointed they couldn’t afford “top-notch” education. No one ever says UCLA is better than an Ivy.</p>

<p>@Ergo
Everyone should be able to graduate on time in 4 years and its actually very possible to do it in 3 or less in some majors. Just make sure to take 4 classes a quarter.</p>

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<p>I honestly don’t see how someone would not be able to graduate in 4 years unless they a) take 3 quarters of classes every quarter b) repeat more than one course or c) switch majors multiple times or to a completely different field. I’m a biochem major and I would be able to easily graduate in 4 years (maybe even a quarter earlier) if I continue with biochem or switch to physi sci. I didn’t have any community college credits coming in and only had a few AP classes for credits. I have freshman friends who can graduate in three or less years easily because they took a few community college classes during their high school years.</p>

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<p>@Gotlactose</p>

<p>Enrollment cuts could screw some people over. If you can’t get into a core class, you’re basically stuck taking filler classes for a quarter.</p>

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<p>Assuming it’s even offered next quarter, and not one of those “once a year” classes. -_-;</p>

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<p>THANK YOU. Finally, someone who is honest.</p>

<p>Here is some more truth (taken from Georgia Girl’s post.)</p>

<p>"In a speech the UCLA Chancellor addressed the huge cutbacks and how it was affecting UCLA.</p>

<p>He remarked UCLA had a multimillion shortfall. At the time of the speech there had been l65 courses eliminated. Tuition and fee increases were expected of $1,170 this year and $1,344 next year.</p>

<p>UCLA has reduced faculty and staff hiring, cut spending on equipment, travel and construction. Data centers and communication networks have been consolidated. Faculty recruitment has been lowered. UCLA will reduce general fund support by 50% for research centers and 40% for teaching services. Student services will be cut 10%. Housing and parking fees will increase by 40%. Other programs and captial projects will be cut by $5 million.</p>

<p>This is an exact quote, “Campus is overenrolled.” </p>

<p>Here are some paraphrased comments from students in a NY Times article of Oct. 26, 2009.
Students in some cases are unable to obtain classes to proceed toward graduation. It is becoming more common to graduate in five years due to inability to obtain required classes. There were some classes where students sat outside the room as there was not enough seating space in the classroom.
Student remarked many students were living in dorm rooms make for two, but housing three."</p>

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<p>BayBoi,</p>

<p>Yes, and this is something that is occurring NATIONWIDE in schools EVERYWHERE. </p>

<p>This is not particular to UCLA.</p>

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<p>Interesting article on the same subject, using the same source (Chancellor Block) that BayBoi is using to make UCLA sound like it’s going to pot: [Campus</a> leaders forecast state funding cuts won’t deepen next year / UCLA Today](<a href=“http://www.today.ucla.edu/portal/ut/campus-leaders-forecast-state-154032.aspx]Campus”>http://www.today.ucla.edu/portal/ut/campus-leaders-forecast-state-154032.aspx)</p>

<p>Two choice quotes from Block: ““I don’t think we’re going to be returning to the levels that gave us robust state support,” Chancellor Gene Block told members of the Legislative Assembly of the Academic Senate, which met Thursday, Feb. 11, in the Charles E. Young Grand Salon. “It’s going to level off, and that’s the new reality. That means that this institution has to operate differently. It can’t operate as it has in the past.””</p>

<p>This is not surprising. However, Block makes the typical positive statement at the end:</p>

<p>“I remain optimistic for this institution in the long run,” Block said. “With restructuring, and with some alteration of revenue sources, we are going to survive this, and we will thrive.”</p>

<p>What this demonstrates is that, more than anything, the UC campuses need to continue privatizing revenue sources. And why not? Michigan is practically all privately funded, and UCLA, last I read, was around 70% privately funded already. These budget shortfalls suck, but they are by no means the beginning of some precipitous fall into the end.</p>

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<p>Got it. UCLAri is pro-privatization. Glad to see you failed to grasp what public education means.</p>

<p>Here is some more reading material:
Why privatizing the University of California won’t work - LA Times Dec. 2009
<a href=“http://articles.latimes.com/2009/dec/10/business/la-fi-hiltzik10-2009dec10[/url]”>http://articles.latimes.com/2009/dec/10/business/la-fi-hiltzik10-2009dec10&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Here is some audio from the article “UCLA Protests and the Deterioration of Higher Education.”
[Yahoo</a>! Media Player](<a href=“http://mediaplayer.yahoo.com/contplay/index.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.utne.com%2FPolitics%2FUCLA-Protests-Deterioration-of-Higher-Education-5816.aspx]Yahoo”>http://mediaplayer.yahoo.com/contplay/index.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.utne.com%2FPolitics%2FUCLA-Protests-Deterioration-of-Higher-Education-5816.aspx)</p>

<p>People stay informed don’t listen to this die-hard bruin’s nonsense.</p>

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<p>No, I’m not for privatization. I’m for privately-sourced funding. I wish for the UC to remain a public university with private sources of funding. This is tricky, but it’s also what Cal does. </p>

<p>[Increased</a> Role of Private Funding Concerns Some Campus Members - The Daily Californian](<a href=“http://www.dailycal.org/article/105588/increased_role_of_private_funding_concerns_some_ca]Increased”>http://www.dailycal.org/article/105588/increased_role_of_private_funding_concerns_some_ca)</p>

<p>I also recognize, of course, that private funding comes with challenges. The BP grant demonstrates this quite well.</p>

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<p>It’s interesting that you call me a die-hard Bruin. I’ve told many people to attend other universities other than UCLA.</p>

<p>I’m not a die-hard. I just think you’re not presenting a fair picture. Different things.</p>

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<p>“No, I’m not for privatization. I’m for privately-sourced funding. I wish for the UC to remain a public university with private sources of funding.”</p>

<p>Explain how this fulfills the UC public purpose. If one wants private funding, then go to a private school. CA has 3 elite private schools that are well funded: Stanford, Cal Tech, and USC. However, they do not have a goal to cater to the public. These institutions are bound to different rules that are determined by their trustees, who are their major donors. If UC relied on private funding the whole public dynamic will be nonexistent, because the primary goal is no longer to cater to CA residents, but to the donors.</p>

<p>My main point is that public and private universities are two completely different institutions and should not be compared to each other.</p>