Discussion of Changes at USNA

<p>SNA = Surface Navy Association</p>

<p>Judo now there you go. One I know exactly what is happening. One of my Mids is on the Judo team. Or should I say was since they arent' allowed to compete anymore. Oh you can practice if you want but only for 45 min 2 times a week. Doesn't count for anything and there will be NO MO's NO competitons. But Supe can say he didn't cut it.</p>

<p>Whew glad to here you not a Nuke!</p>

<p>Nope. Just an ex plain ol' black-shoe SWO. :o</p>

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SNA = Surface Navy Association

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<p>Thanks.</p>

<p>In my day it was SAG = Surface Action Group.</p>

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Judo now there you go. One I know exactly what is happening. One of my Mids is on the Judo team. Or should I say was since they arent' allowed to compete anymore. Oh you can practice if you want but only for 45 min 2 times a week. Doesn't count for anything and there will be NO MO's NO competitons. But Supe can say he didn't cut it.

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<p>Not good. I don't see the value in that, nor any savings.</p>

<p>Anyone know if there is a bona-fide financial element to these changes?</p>

<p>They were told Judo is a distraction and practice cuts into Mando study time.</p>

<p>"Can anyone lend any credence to the assertion that the Army and AF operate that way? Sounds like a bit of an overgeneralization...."</p>

<p>I can't speak to how the Air Force does things, but this isn't the model my son is being taught at West Point. It's not a "bit of an overgeneralization", it sounds like a completely misinformed guess on the part of the writer.</p>

<p>Thanks, brother. It's been too long for me to have drawn that conclusion out loud, but it just doesn't sound right. Hell, that's the way the SOVIETS did it, not us!</p>

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They were told Judo is a distraction and practice cuts into Mando study time.

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<p>Yeesh.</p>

<p>Yep. I'm beginning to see a bit of Rickover Syndrome rearing its ugly head here.....</p>

<p>Sure thing Zap, and welcome back.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.hometownannapolis.com/cgi-bin/read/2007/08_27-35/NAV%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.hometownannapolis.com/cgi-bin/read/2007/08_27-35/NAV&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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There's not enough food to go around at the Naval Academy, where new policies are requiring midshipmen to eat more of their meals at the school, according to some mids and parents.</p>

<p>One father, who asked that his name not be used for fear of reprisals against his son, said last week there were instances of 10 and 12 people being at a table with only eight or 10 pieces of chicken or meat for them. </p>

<p>"They're eating peanut butter and bread and whatever else they can hide away in their dorm," the man said. "We are hearing a lot of stories about them not getting enough food....

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<p>Posts from this thread are mentioned in the foregoing article.</p>

<p>“While on the other Hand the WP and Zoomies were being trained Here is the objective, here are the things you can and cannnot do to achieve them and here are the regulations regarding the above things you can and cannot do. And finally here is how we want you to do it in a step by step procedure.”</p>

<p>WP has a comprehensive 47 month cadet leader development system. This link may be helpful: <a href="http://www.usma.edu/uscc/MilPgm/USMACirCLDSApr06.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.usma.edu/uscc/MilPgm/USMACirCLDSApr06.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Yes, standards are important in the Army – it is a standards based organization – but that doesn’t mean that objectives at WP come with step by step instructions on how to achieve them - or that that being able to follow step by step instructions would be the aim of their leadership program.
"USMA encourages cadets to establish professionally appropriate standards to govern their own performance and the performance of their subordinates. As cadets progress through the 47 month experience, WP grants each of them greater responsibilities, privileges, and authority in exchange for more indirect supervision and higher expectations. In exchange for indirect supervision, one thing remains constant – adherence to standards" (and WP has high standards). I've no idea what airforce does...</p>

<p>And along those lines, and from the same document, </p>

<p>"The West Point experience - the 47 months cadets invest at West Point - is all about planned change; a transformational development process that includes a multi-dimensional array of challenges building skills, maturity, judgment, values, and character. The academic curriculum is broad based and demanding, causing cadets to think, innovate, and explore."</p>

<p>So the idea is not to create autotrons, despite what the uninformed writer paraphrased by xchefmike might have believed. But none of this has much to do with the topic in play. On the other hand, this quote from the doccument may:</p>

<p>"I go anywhere in the world they tell me to go, anytime they tell me to, to fight anybody they tell me to fight. I move my family anytime they tell me to move, on a day's notice, and live in whatever quarters they assign me. I work whenever they tell me to work....I don't belong to a union and I don't strike if I don't like what they are doing to me. Maybe that's the difference."</p>

<p>But the food's pretty good last time I ate there.</p>

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<p>Not the "Gate Zero" that I remember.</p>

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But the food's pretty good last time I ate there.

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<p>and from what I have heard, the ECA's aren't so bad either! </p>

<p><a href="http://www.usma.edu/uscc/dca/clubs/index.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.usma.edu/uscc/dca/clubs/index.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>maybe those hudson folks know more than we think they do!<br>
(can someone please take this dirty devil off my enter key!!!!!!! :eek:)</p>

<p>snowboard team...how nice! and even sponsored!<br>
wait... they even kept their glee club! oh... and a gospel choir-jewish chapel choir-protestant choir- cadet catholic choir- oh my! And how cute... a team handball club.....and the men and women even get their own! Skeet shooting... hunting club....oh, and even "in'line" hocky! Sweet! </p>

<p>I mean, I know i'm just a mom and all, but don't they have to fight the war too? </p>

<p>(on second thought... don't even go to their "club pages".... its gonna make you cry! )</p>

<p>That's funny. Obviously this administration is not very detail oriented. Did anyone notice that the 'Dant's letter was signed "Very Respectively?" :)</p>

<p>Hey, I figgered, while we're nitpicking...</p>

<p>Oh, yeah, that's not how you spell figured. Sorry!</p>

<p>momof1:
What 'Dant's letter?</p>

<p>When did you get it and what did it say?
CM</p>

<p>oh my.... the theater page...</p>

<p>you gotta check out the theater page! </p>

<p><a href="http://www.ikehall.com/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.ikehall.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>THE PRODUCERS!!!! I haven't even seen that one yet!!!!!!! :mad:</p>

<p>CM... trust me, you don't want to know.</p>

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Delaware OnLine:<a href="http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MD_NAVAL_ACADEMY_FOOD_MDOL-?SITE=DEWIL&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MD_NAVAL_ACADEMY_FOOD_MDOL-?SITE=DEWIL&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&lt;/a> Capt. Margaret Klein, commandant of midshipmen, acknowledged that the Naval Academy has been caught off guard by the new food policy.

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<p>Caught off guard? Duh didn't the Academy issue the order? </p>

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"We're eight days into mandatory meals, and the end of this week has been smoother than the beginning of the week," she said. "I'll take a wait-and-see approach. I'll wait with corrective action."

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<p>Smoother? In who's opinion? How hungry do you think they have to get?

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on second thought... don't even go to their "club pages".... its gonna make you cry!

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Yep going to cry :(</p>

<p>I'm whining....I want my Mid at WP! If GF ends up at Vassar he'll want to be there too!</p>

<p>Send food to your mids. If you don't have a mid, find one and send them food. We're hungry.</p>

<p>"and from what I have heard, the ECA's aren't so bad either!"</p>

<p>That's what I hear also. There are six, count them SIX, different ski clubs. Ya know, they have their own ski slope at West Point.</p>

<p>"If GF ends up at Vassar he'll want to be there too!"</p>

<p>Well then, you'd better not tell him about the free bus shuttle between West Point and Vassar. Runs on the hour seven days a week. Free snacks and beverages served on the way too! Of course sometimes the movie's are re-runs.</p>