<p>Whether it's UCSF or ohio state?</p>
<p>This is such a vague and impossible to answer question.</p>
<p>the answer is 42.</p>
<p>I like turtles.</p>
<p>lmao wow. cc is getting better and better. I think the new freshman are gonna get scared.</p>
<p>you have to admit, this was a very poorly phrased question.</p>
<p>ive been wondering this for a while myself (except for undergrad) and have yet to get a straight-up “here are the facts” type of answer. here’s my take:</p>
<p>for grad school, going to a higher ranked prof school will get you a higher starting salary and for subsequent jobs, your work experience, motivation and networking aility is what will get more money and better positions.</p>
<p>as far as undergrad (when planning to go on to grad school-esp med school) as i have only sadly realized in the last 2 years, i see very little benefit in going to a school like a Berkeley unless you are doing at least above average/exceptionally well academically or conducting independent research. imo (others may disagree), getting even a B in some weeder premed classes can feel like a chore even with 100% effort (and again,some will probably say this is probably proof that you dont belong in med school, etc…whatever) but i know from personal experience that getting this same grade in a different lower-tiered school can be EASILY achieved. (im taking the equivalent of IB 160 at cal at a different anonymous school and acing it when i am sure i would not have done nearly as well had i taken it here based on my lackluster grades in other premed classes here, possibly getting a B- or lower) and I put next to no effort into this other school’s class other than the attention i pay in lecture. at cal, i swear i put in this same effort just paying attention and taking good notes, but i find there are too many others doing the same and this makes standing out to get the grade very difficult.</p>
<p>in short, unless you are getting near equal (half grade difference or less) between two schools, i think it is FAR more beneficial to go to an easier, lesser ranked school to get a falsely inflated GPA which at the end of the day is all med schools seem to use to make initial cutoffs, ratehr than sweat it out with hoards of cutthroat premeds only to get ****ty grades in exchange for a miniscule bump in the med school admissions process for going to a decent undergrad. and yes, ec’s and all that matter, blah blah blah, but in the end if you dont have the stats, you wont make it past the first round anyway, this is why i think premed counselors are often full of bs and i no longer seek their advice.</p>
<p>bottom line, i feel that a 3.9 from chico with a decent mcat and ok ec’s when matched against a 3.0 from cal with same mcat and ec’s…well i’ll let you decide who adcoms will let in.</p>
<p>of course, all of this is sort of useless/late info for you seeing as you are already at cal and battling it out with all the other nerds that make up the student body ;)</p>
<p>eyeheartphysics wins the thread. that is all.</p>
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<p>It’s a legit question, but you phrased it poorly and you have not made it clear what you’re looking for at all.</p>
<p>Plus you’re a freshman, why are you worrying about grad school?</p>
<p>As much as I miss the old daynnight threads, these are become quite good.</p>
<p>Graduate school, as in for Ph.D? What school you get a Ph.D from does matter. A Ph.D from any random low ranking university generally won’t be as employable as one from a ranking university with a strong department in whatever you are studying.</p>
<p>i think OP is referring to med school rather than grad school. if so, not really, if you’re just looking to make a comfortable living. getting into any medical school at all and grading will probably ensure that.</p>
<p>…unless you go into family medicine or pediatrics</p>
<p>(or the Caribbean)</p>
<p>Oh</p>
<p>Anyways, for future threads please remember medical School is not graduate school</p>
<p>thanks waiting4college. I’ll PM u about somethin. as for other posters, sorry…I didn’t realize that it was poorly phrased (I also didn’t realize it’s almost 2 AM and I should be sleeping instead of writing on here). but yeah I meant med school but i thought both would get the same answer. I just want to work in the city and make money. Would I get just as good of a job no matter what med school i graduate from?</p>
<p>Writing under my kid’s handle. Ok, I will give you the straight scoop. It seems that most of the folks here really have no real information nor experience. I went to UCSF medical school some years ago–we did not have anyone from Chico State, nor as I recall ANY state school. Out of a class ~160 the majority were UCB, followed by Stanford, then UCD/UCLA, then other UC’s, then ivies, then scattered from other spots like UofM, Emory, Duke, etc. I was involved in the admissions process there during my pre-clincial years and later as a resident. We did look at where folks came from and someone from one of the state schools (at least at that time) had a higher bar to jump–ie their MCAT scores better be pretty great. As a resident we did look at which med schools the applicant came from, whether they were AOA (med school honor society)-and what their scores were for part 1 of the boards. Now I am in a large medical practice–and guess what? We are still more impressed with a grad from Harvard, Stanford, UCSF, or UCLA’s fellowship programs (yes, depending on the residency specialty you pursue, you may need to do additonal 1-3 fellowship programs–the whole education/selection process never seems to end for physicians; this is not an easy life and think twice before you pursue it in the future as much of the art and humanity in medicine is going out the door) then one from Creighton, or Chicago Medical School. Facts are facts. But that is not to say these grads won’t get job/location they want too–the old saying “what do you call the bottom graduate from the bottom medical school in the country?- doctor”. It’s just human nature to value diplomas etc from more prestigious locales–and it is not a strict gpa criteria; it is also holistic (provided you are in a reasonable strike zone for gpa/mcat etc) So, to always have the best/largest options ahead of you, go to the best schools, programs that you can, and work hard to learn the material and do well on the tests/classes.
PS-if you can take a class at a jc or state school and it qualifies for a requirement, you should go for it; these grades get lumped along with your UCB grades when you do apply for med school</p>
<p>Aha I always knew u could get away with taking reqs at a jc or easy school-u just confirmed this-thank you!</p>
<p>lol yeah i think i should take more at JC!! although I did get a few B’s haha but unfortunately mostly in the online classes! and one C oops. oh well. nothin to cry about. but is that allowed? to do it at JC while at berkeley? u have to sign something right? like why ur doing it?</p>
<p>Doesn’t this paragraph from your other post contradict what you are conveying here?</p>
<p>I work for a large software/engineering company , and I can tell you, it won’t. 10 years we had a choice between an MIT EECS undergrad and a San Jose State EECS–the SJST got the job(and boy has he been great!) Similar gpa’s, slightly better test scores by the SJSU guy, and similar letters of recommdation, and better interview. We-and most of our cohorts took him on his gpa, test scores, and the interview! When it comes to getting a job this is the BIG deal; going to the big school is not.</p>
<p>That was a very informative post guitarcrazy, thanks for providing your insight.</p>
<p>I agree though, current students don’t really know the answer to stuff like this since it’s mostly hearsay.</p>