<p>Yes! The idiot managed to pull it off.
12 on the essay, and a perfect.. 800 in writing. </p>
<p>Funny thing is, math was nowhere close XD</p>
<p>Does USMA care about writing at all? Anyone know how they are going to look at it this year?</p>
<p>Well done. USMA does not factor the writing score into the WCS yet. They are collecting data for a another year or so to get a better idea if its predictive value.</p>
<p>MS,</p>
<p>Congratulations! Even though they may not consider it in the WCS, I'll bet they notice it. </p>
<p>It's a good thing you've been practicing your writing skills so much. :)</p>
<p>Did you get your math to the magic 590? Your writing score is quite impressive; maybe that will get their attention.</p>
<p>Actually yes for everyclass after 2012 west point will be counting writting so if your class of 2013 or higher it WILL count.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, math is at 570. I scored like 10 or 20 points higher than the last one. I'm registered next week for the December test. </p>
<p>Now another thought. This is way off topic, but since I made this thread out of nowhere, I'm sure it won't hurt.</p>
<p>I'm very confused about something my English teacher did when he wrote my letter of recommendation. He puts in his letter that I was ranked 1 out of 75 students that took his class last year, and that I had the highest G.P.A. in his class, but he ranked me only as "top 10 %" when there is a "top 5%" and "top 1 %" box. Do you guys see something really weird with this? I'm really worried after seeing it. I don't know if i can compete with something like that when... it is not consistent with his letter.</p>
<p>Re-look at the box, it could be your class rank for the school. However, it is still moot until the SAT score is better. Don't give up my s's score went up 90 pts. However, he started with a 670 & went up to 760</p>
<p>I am surprised you even saw the recommendation. I would not worry about it though.</p>
<p>I agree, my s's had to have the envelope signed, so to this day we have not a clue what was said</p>
<p>Well... I didn't physically see the evaluation form for USMA. The form I'm referring to is the Common Application evaluation form, which he did for me for 2 other schools. If he did this the same way with the academy evaluation form, I'm doomed.</p>
<p>I am not sure where on the common app you are talking about because s's teacher don't rank, that is why they want the transcripts. So even if the teacher did this it wouldn't matter. The transcript has to be sent and that is what everyone pays attention to.I still can't figure out how you saw it because again all of his recs were to be signed on the back of the envelope.</p>
<p>You are worrying about something you don't even know if happened. Chill. Spend your time w/ your nose in the math prep book and with a math tutor. It will be time better spent.</p>
<p>Moms right. As I said before this is all moot until the scores come up. Honestly, I would be more worried about being competitive with the scores. Even if you make the magic number it would put you at the bottom competitively speaking. I know that sounds harsh, but if you went around to the ones that have LOA/Appt, and asked their scores I would say they all average at least 650-680 m/ 680-700cr and that's an average. Thus, getting a 590 gets you in the dood, but you need much more in scores. </p>
<p>You can do it, just study...study...study</p>
<p>mister sinister - your PM box is full - I am trying to PM you back!!!!!!</p>
<p>"because again all of his recs were to be signed on the back of the envelope."</p>
<p>Common App Evaluation forms don't have to be sealed. I didn't waive my right, so he gave me the evaluation forms without any envelop. If you look on the second page, there is a large chart with 6 columns, and about 8 rows. where you can rank an individuals ability. </p>
<p>I'm trying to recall what the west point evaluation form looks like. Can anyone recall what the sheet looked like?</p>
<p>Also, for the naval academy, is there a chart or is it just a simple submissions of the teacher's rec letter?</p>
<p>Momof4, I'll delete my box. Sorry about that.</p>
<p>Lol. This is alittle off topic as well, but I thought it was quite interesting. My father told me that since his time as a 2LT, to his time as a Col (Almost BG after War College) his job was about 75 percent writing, 20 percent reading, and 5 percent math. I guess there is some great importance with writing even though USMA doesn't seem to value it. At least it might be able to serve me well in the future sometime.</p>
<p>MS,<br>
it might be different for u on common apps depending on the college. S idid ED for all of his. They univerisities either emailed or wrote letters stating that recs were to be written and signed on envelope just like for our MOC's. The colleges you have chosen may have a different process(most likely)
I am not sure what Dad does, but whatever he does, be proud of him (not saying you aren't) However, the military is like the corporate world; different jobs demand different abilities. I am sure your writing abilities will serve you very well in the future, but at this time I am just saying that Math is an issue that you must conquer.<br>
You obviously have tremendous strengths, but all of the SA's state they are looking at the "whole person" not just one part
BTW what yr and which college, we might know your folks. Happy Turkey Day.
Keep chuggin and pluggin</p>
<p>It's not that WP does not value writing, it is just that the SAT/ACT writing tests are new and the predictive value of the results are unknown at this point. Once they have a database to work from the tests will be used.
The candidate's academic score is used to predict academic success during plebe year, and has nothing to do with what you will do once you get into the army.</p>
<p>I am in agreement with Ann,if it came across the wrong way, my apologies. The problem with the written part of the SAT is that it is subjectives. Many colleges still require their own essay and would rather evaluate the student by their own criteria. 2 + 2 will always =4 and that is why the SAT math is such an integral part. Either you know or you don't.</p>
<p>Also success in math does not guarantee that you will be a successful candidate or 4 years later...officer.</p>
<p>The bigger picture is if you want to be an officer that is in the analytical field you must be able to handle the math classes, this is why they have a cut-off math. The SA'S do not require you to select your field upon entering and because of this they must be sure you will be a success in EVERY field.</p>
<p>Bulletandpina - no apology necessary. I was referring to Mister Sinister's comment about WP not placing a value on writing. We cross posted.</p>
<p>Mr. S,
Here is another math opinion. The SA's don't need to see high math scores because you already need to be great at math. I higher math score indicates an ability to think critically and logically. Although your dad's job requires a good deal of writing, he has to think critically and logically about what he is writing. Most people do not spend their adult lives solving complex mathematical equations; but they do spend them solving problems.
Seriously, you need to get yourself to an SAT prep class pronto! Pay a tutor whatever he/she charges and learn to conquer the math portion.</p>