<p>Sometimes DE is the only way to continue when the student has exhausted the offerings at the high school. My S needed to DE for Calc 3, but it was not a good experience. He wants to continue his math education, but there are no more courses at his HS. Since DE requires travel time and evening classes (since he has a full IB schedule with little flexibility during the day), we were considering an online EPGY linear algebra course. However we are concerned about how that will be regarded by colleges and also we would have to pay for it (DE classes are free). Time and gas may outweigh the cost factor, but the issue of regard for EPGY courses remains. Does anyone have experience with EPGY college level courses and how they are treated by colleges other than Stanford?</p>
<p>A couple of schools that my daughter is looking at will allow her to place out of the introductory level courses based upon grades in the classes she's taken at CUNY. That can be a big benefit, depending upon what one's plans are.</p>
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Singh, who earned A's in both classes and will start an accelerated program in medicine at the University of Pennsylvania this fall, says, "It was definitely worth it."
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Since when does Penn offer accelerated medicine programs??? I'm pretty sure Penn doesn't offer this. Penn State, on the other hand, does offer several accelerated MD programs...!!
.am I missing something or is US News even dumber than I thought????</p>
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I wonder why he chose Penn State.
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Either $$$ or they confused Penn State with Penn...</p>
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Singh, who earned A's in both classes and will start an accelerated program in medicine at the University of Pennsylvania this fall, says, "It was definitely worth it."
Since when does Penn offer accelerated medicine programs???
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<p>Good catch. I noticed that one myself. He's actually in the Vagelos Scholars Program, which is a special option for select science majors at Penn. Arguably, it is "accelerated," but, you're right, it's certainly not "an accelerated program in medicine." </p>
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<p>Sounds like this guy IS in an accelerated med program, which could be a key reason why he chose Penn State.</p>
<p>I take my math at a local cc because IB limits me so much. I like dual enrollment classes much more than regular classes. The environment is just completely different and the teachers are more chill.</p>
<p>My children just graduated with 42 and 45 college credits from an accredited 4 year university (actually 2 local U's). I feel the experience was of immense value and would strongly recommend this option should you have it available. I don't think the programs at community colleges are quite as rigorous, but especially if one's high school just has "basics" or if every member of the senior class is taking AP or Honors, making the courses more pedestrian, this is a great thing. My kids took everything from advanced Calculus, Physics, Literature, and even a few of the basics like Psych and Soc (which they hated and were glad to have taken them at the college level and gotten credit for them, rather than sit through some lame high school courses).</p>
<p>They got into every college to which they applied, including an Ivy, Notre Dame, and all of them said they were impressed by the strength of the dual enrollment program.</p>
<p>S1's best friend graduated from major Pittsburgh area university in 2-1/2 years, in engineering with minor in some kind of business, due principally to the dual enrollment programs of which he took advantage in high school. So, the kid has just turned 21, working fulltime at $86K and graduated with less than $12K of loan debt. Not too shabby.</p>
<p>My high school has enough AP's for me, but it doesn't offer dual-enrollment. Is that going to hurt me alot if i dont do dual-enrollment?</p>
<p>I just went through a whole year of college courses at NW Missouri State University as a junior in HS. It's not a top-tier school by any means, but the course work there was beyond my old high school. I could also explore courses in more depth than what AP's allow. AP's are mostly just the equivalence gen-ed requirements. </p>
<p>Instead of stopping at "AP BIO" (which is just a general biology requirement at most schools) I can take microbiology, genetics, cell biology, etc., etc. I can also take a lot more math (multivariate, diff eq, and hopefully some linear algebra or complex analysis if they're offered) in addition to organic chem and physical chem.</p>
<p>AP's are great, but I don't think they allow students to get in depth exposure to any one field they're passionate about.</p>
<p>My son took DE classes at a local college during his last two years of (public)high school. The two main reasons he did so were because the advanced math classes he was interested in weren't available at any high school, private or public, and because he loves to learn and wanted to keep challenging himself. He was consistently the youngest student in the classes, but these classes exposed him to "the real world" in a way unavailable in a high school.</p>
<p>Taking DE classes is only one of several ways a student can demonstrate self-motivation in learning. Others take online classes on their own. My son took two AP tests without taking the classes. It doesn't matter how many AP's are taken, or how many DE classes are completed; just show the effort.</p>
<p>My son was accepted to 6/10 schools, and will attend MIT next year.</p>
<p>My s took two semesters of College Physics de at Florida International University this year (his senior year). He could have taken AP instead but the instructor was new and we heard she wasn't very good. We had to go to the district superintendent to get it approved. A big hassle but well worth it. The level of instruction was excellent. I believe it gave him an edge on his college applications and he is going to Brandeis this Fall to study Physics on a Presidental scholarship. His award letter said his award was due to "unusual academic achievement". I would recommend dual enrollment if you have a college nearby.</p>
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<p>Don't worry, Equilibrium, it certainly won't hurt you if you don't take Dual Enrollment classes. The most selective colleges typically expect applicants to take the "Most Demanding" classes available to them. Your applications will ask your counselor to indicate if your program is "Most Demanding," "Very Demanding," etc. when compared to what is offered at your school. So, if you are taking a load that is top-heavy with AP's, you should earn the "Most Demanding" designation.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, if the idea of taking a class on a college campus while still in high school intrigues you, you may find that you can do this, even if your high school doesn't have a specific program. In other words, you might be able to take a class that meets at night, on weekends, or at another time during the day that it doesn't conflict with you high school classes. If you do all the legwork and cut through whatever red tape you encounter, you might be able to create your own D.E. option. </p>
<p>However, if that doesn't appeal to you ... or it simply won't work ... don't worry about it hurting your admissions odds.</p>
<p>Im Doing dual-enrollment or PSEO ( as we call it) next year and I will be taking 6 courses. All the colleges I have talked to say the classes look jsut as good if not better then AP courses. The upside is they are known to be pretty easy at the university where Im taking them (or so I hear) and most people say that AP classes are 3 times more challenging.</p>
<p>Apparently not all colleges are keen on dual enrollment. NYU</a> Downgrades Dual Enrollment :: Inside Higher Ed :: Higher Education's Source for News, Views and Jobs
NYU Downgrades Dual Enrollment</p>
<p>Ahahaha GANDHI That's soo awesome.</p>
<p>Wow, nice information, I NEVER knew that you can take colleges courses before 11th grade...I'm a rising soph so I might consider this.</p>
<p>thanks for the info.</p>
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<p>You're right ... many colleges are not keen on dual enrollment when it comes to awarding credit for D.E. courses. But it's the administrators and faculty members who typically make those decisions, not the admission officials, who do tend to value D.E. candidates.</p>
<p>Many of the highly selective colleges don't give any academic credit for classes taken for high school credit, regardless of where those classes were taught. But this doesn't mean that admission folks don't want to see D.E. on transcripts. In other words, giving credit for the classes and giving admission-decision "Brownie Points" to those who take them are two completely separate issues.</p>
<p>Yeah, my high school does not weigh in ANYTHING taken at a community college and just disregards it.</p>
<p>Does that mean I shouldn't take it, even if I'm [rather] interested in the course? I really am not necessarily doing it for "credit", but because I'm mildly interested in exploring the topic, but it won't be a waste of time if not given credit, probably.</p>
<p>Hm...this is weird, and also, I hear dual enrollment is maximum of 2 courses per semester. Which is more than enough!</p>
<p>yikes, im taking organic chemistry at a local community college next year..... (will be a high school senior) im planning on applying ED to NYU... it has nothing to do with my high school, but if they dont take the credits should i bother even taking the courses?</p>
<p>Some universities offer special programs for jr and sr HS students. It might be difficult to schedule during the day, but there are often evening courses as well. If an accredited uni, shouldn't have any problem transferring credit.</p>
<p>Receiving credit for DE coursework and using it as a tool to facilitate admissions are two different things. What most of the elite colleges my kids applied to did was say this shows determination, excellent academic skills, etc. But, the registrar at some of the colleges wouldn't actually give them "credit" for the courses. Some do, some don't.</p>
<p>If you're interested in courses that your high school doesn't offer (or doesn't teach at your level of interest), then CC or local university courses might be for you! Of course, it takes time and $$$, so that also has to be considered. Whether or not the courses transfer or whether or not you get DE credit, at least you get to take something you're interested in. (If not really interested, why waste your HS years taking it?)</p>