@Nomorelurker
You may have not meant to come across that way but it seemed like it. Especially the “Cheat there way through” part
T- MINUS 46 hours and 38 Minutes!!!
@VANDEMORY1342 : They do. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that honors students and students on the cusp of “high achievement” cheat perhaps more than those of “normal” ability. New Jersey or the NYC area took this even further when they had a cheating ring on the SAT. They had a guy going in taking the test for students. It is certainly easier to cheat on MC and close-ended exams (I am fairly confident that many instructors in HS do not give multiple exam forms with the questions scrambled as would happen in most college classes) than it is other formats (like unless the Constructed response section is full of very pointed detail oriented questions, it is hard to yield the exact same problem solving process, manner of drafting a solution, or exact same essay). While most high achievers work really hard to actually perform, there is a lot of pressure in some communities, households and/or schools to at least appear high achieving on paper, so it is no surprise that cheating is more rampant than it should be. One can cheat or do whatever because the level of the exams giving by many HS instructors is probably low and then this buys time that can be used for ECs (and not studying), and then for standardized test time, you get lots and lots of coaching and prep since they are high stakes. For a decent subset of smart people who just want to get into college (preferably a selective one), this is an acceptable pathway that makes them look great on paper, and gains them admission, but unless they are really clever, may have consequences in college.
@VANDEMORY1342, students with both high and low stats have cheated through high school. My comment was not meant to single out high stat students, although some of them do cheat too. To @bernie12 point, Emory and hopefully all institutions of higher learning will provide more in depth exams that are not multiple choice and which challenge students to think critically. This may be a rude awakening for some high school students entering any university.
@bernie12, precisely correct that cheating is rampant in high school, and not limited to students who are not doing well in classes. Students have been known in earlier periods to take pics of a test and give it to their friends who have the afternoon class, which does not make sense if there is competition or a curve… but some students would rather be popular and provide info to friends. Not singling out only high achieving students because lower achieving, or not the “all A” students may also want to maintain their Bs in harder classes. Some students cheat if it is easy enough to do so and get away with it. Hopefully that will not continue at the university level.
The number of cheaters is insignificant. More likely, higher SAT/ACT scores are achieved by those in higher income brackets who can afford private tutoring. Those less fortunate probably can’t afford a Stanley Kaplan test prep program. That contributes more to statistical bias than anything.
There are colleges that are slaves to those numbers. Many of us would like to believe that Emory is not one of them and that they don’t believe in formula for admissions. If some kid has a part-time job to help support his family, that is just as good or better than any EC activity out there. They want to know what you’re like when others aren’t looking in addition to when they are. They want to know that you can do Emory work, but the whole “chance me” thing can get really tough when it comes to Emory.
One last thing on cheating, that Emory Honor Code and the Honor Council is pretty serious stuff. Read the Wheel for their summaries on findings and how little it takes for them to flunk someone or kick them out. Anyone who even thinks about cheating should stay far away from Emory.
@Nomorelurker : Yeah, fortunately even those who give only objective exams make cheating hard at the university level. It definitely happens in HS. I personally was/am just too lazy to ever do it. It just seems like it takes additional effort. At the HS level, most instructors who use multiple choice, in both honors and AP classes, are giving questions at the 1 and 2 level on Bloom’s taxonomy (again, there is specific preparation and coaching for APs and SATs that teach students how to do the higher level items they may see on those), in which case one is better off just cramming for the exam. Level 1 and 2 questions typically require regurgitation and a very surface level understanding. Tons of admits and matriculates to these top tier schools will admit that cramming was sufficient to do well on most of their non-standardized exams, at honors and the AP level. Usually, a decent teacher at university will at least bring in a decent chunk of level 3s (even instructors regarded as on the easier side) if they use MC exams, so “night before only” cramming is often not sufficient for most university students. An “easy” class may still take 2-3 days of preparation, whereas harder ones of course take more consistent prep (like doing problem sets, reading, etc over a longer period between units), and then of course many large courses are lecture so there isn’t a constant reminded to do things.
Either way…hopefully Emory will be admitting bunches of high achieving students on thursday who actually value learning beyond the grade 
…perhaps a complicated wish in today’s environment.
@Nomorelurker @bernie12
@ljberkow is right, cheating is insignificant, sounds almost like the fraudulent voter argument. If cheating is pervasive at equal or similar levels between high and low achieving students, then the effects of said cheating cancel each other out in the long run.
Also lets not derail the thread anymore please!!
The MCAT is a cognitively demanding exam that is strictly multiple choice.
Multiple choice exams can be written to test higher level thinking.
Hello, I made a mistake with FA and I’m not sure what to do since RD decisions are being released soon. I kept getting emails from OPUS that I had missing FA documents, but I read the bottom of the “18-19 Dep Verif Worksheet” that states it’s not due until September 2019, and somehow thought the 18-19 Student’s 2016 W-2 Form & 18-19 Studnts NonTaxFiler were due in September 2019 too, but now I’ve realized they were due back in February. I will be submitting the 18-19 Studnts NonTaxFiler as a replacement for the 18-19 Student’s 2016 W-2 Form since I didn’t earn any income in 2016, so it won’t affect financial aid I should receive, but will they penalize me for this and give me less aid than the Need-Based aid I deserve if I submit it now?
I would submit anything missing now and also call the FA office tomorrow and explain the situation
@AcademiaSavvy
Wait and see if you’re accepted first. It might end up being a useless errand. Less than two days away.
@BiffBrown : Can…but that exam is run by a national board. Do you think most HS instructors and college instructors have as much time to write an exam like that? Go read about the difficulties of constructing a single higher level multiple choice question. It is known to be a painful process. But overall I can agree that the MCAT, as well as some of the GRE subject tests are examples of better MC style
@VANDEMORY1342 : Chill this thread will be lit on thursday…cannot be derailed because ain’t much going on anyway. There is certainlly no need to wait for more folks to say “chance me” when their decision comes out on Thursday.
Can someone tell me the acceptance rate for Emory University for class of 2022
@niharikas : Huh? How would we know?
Well obviously not the exact number. But roundabout figures. Based on past experiences.
@niharikas
I assume it will be less than 22%, which is what is was last year. I’m sure Emory will post an admissions write up I’m the next few days.
Okay thank you!
hey guys! congrats to everyone that go accepted so far! i submitted an additional rec letter from my principal and i was wondering if you guys think emory would read it?
@VANDEMORY1342, not sure what you mean by derailing the thread in your post #267? Are you a student or parent of a student who is currently waiting for results for admission to Emory for class of 2022? If not, maybe you are “derailing” by trying to interfere with the free exchange of ideas about relevant college admission topics, while students wait for results for the Emory class of 2022. Not to say that non current students, parents, caretakers, grandparents… are not welcome to contribute, just don’t think it’s helpful to suggest a thread is derailing in this instance.
Agree with @Bernie12, this is a time to shoot the breeze about anything really to help the time pass and hopefully avoid those time wasting “chance me” requests, until results are made available tomorrow.
On the topic of derailing, what’s with your post on March 20th (#261): “T- MINUS 46 hours and 38 Minutes!!!”. Is this supposed to keep students calm and on the rail? I think it only promotes anxiety.