<p>Does anyone know what SAT scores were required this year to be exempt from English 5?</p>
<p>You aren't allowed to test out of it anymore for '10 and beyond</p>
<p>hc:</p>
<p>can you point me to the correct link for '10 and beyond? (The link for '09s shows that a student can place out with a SAT-V 700+, and 5 on the AP English exam.)</p>
<p>There have been a lot of conversations continually going on about first year writing, including what HC stated that freshman students will no longer be exempt from writing. </p>
<p>I would not be suprised if the change does take place for this incoming class as 3 departments that currently have Departmental Editing Program (DEP) editors will be losing those editors at the end of the spring term because Dartmouth will not be picking up the expenses associated with the postition (they were privately funded). The DEP editors were a great resource to students that is going to be lost. From conversations with my D last year, she was suprised at the number of students that while expempt from writing 5 could not write a paper in APA or MLA format (and got slammed by their professors).</p>
<p>Also keep in mind that the incoming class is the first class required to do the writing component of the new SAT. No one knows yet how this will factor in. So as far as finding out what is need for an exemption the class of 10 probably will not find out until sometime over the summer (as the criteria does change from one year to the next).</p>
<p>There continues to be talk about writing, but 09s were exempted. They received a letter of placement in August. They seem to be quite strict about scores for placement, etc. Some good writers were not exempted from Eng 5, and while I don't know about D's experience with papers, she questioned some foreign language placements.</p>
<p>If you have a strong background in a foreign language, and do not wish to pursue it further - be sure to take the SAT II this spring! Mucho important.</p>
<p>Thanks everyone. My D is signed up for the Spanish SatII in June. My guess is that she won't be exempt for Writing 5, even though she would love to be! (She's definitely a problem-set type kid, as opposed to a paper writing kid)</p>
<p>For '09s, I think you had to have either 1 - 780 on your verbal SAT OR 2- 720 on your verbal SAT and 5 on an english AP exam. those numbers may not be exact but they are close.</p>
<p>That sounds about right DartMom. There was also a qualifying score for the now defunct SATII Writing test.</p>
<p>You may have been able to use a score from the SATII writing a few years ago, but not for the '09s. Which didn't really make sense to me, because I thought that was a better indicator than the verbal SAT. Although D placed out of writing 5, I think many of these scores only reflect your ability to write well technically, which may be what they are teaching in writing 5. </p>
<p>Also, for those interested in placing out of a language, the language SATII is not the only way to do it. You can use an AP score, or take the placement test during orientation week.</p>
<p>I had placed out of basic language-learning classes from AP / SAT II exams, but they still want you take take a language review / basic culture class before you go on to the higher level stuff. I basically went to the department and said "I'm a native speaker, I don't want to take this." and they were like "ok." So they're pretty reasonable.</p>
<p>That's what my D has done, Garrr (placed out of the basic classes, but took French 10 and is going back to pick up French 8). The point of the SAT II or AP is for students who want to be exempted from the language requirement and not pursue further language study - freeing up classes for something else.</p>
<p>Also, there are a lot of placement tests that you can take during Orientation and the first few weeks of school to place out of classes. DON'T MISS THESE PLACEMENT EXAMS! You might be distracted with all the other activities and hanging out with new friends and partying, but it's definitely worth it unless you want to find yourself in boring intro classes you took in high school...grr....</p>
<p>The sat verbal for Writing 5 exemption for '09 are 790 and 800 I think, or one should get a 5 on AP.
Don't know about the policy for this year.
Writing 5 is not that useful it seems. It's better to get in seminar directly. I have seen a major progress of my friend who has taken Writing 2/3, but for those who can be placed out of the basic level, writing 5 is not really necessary...</p>
<p>does anyone know what is needed to get placed INTO Writng/English 5?</p>
<p>I liked Writing 5 when I took it. Its really not that bad. Also, as a side note, not all writing 5 classes are the same. You get to pick which one you are in (out of about 15 or so), all of which have different themes. some of them are really interesting. i agree though that the seminar is a better experience, although i might just be biased because my seminar was particularly amazing.</p>
<p>lol, how do you get in though, as opposed to English/Writing 2-3</p>
<p>Almost everyone takes writing 5 (as opposed to writing 2-3). certainly, there are some who ae exempt, although i think they may not be doing that in the future. Its not like its a challenge to get into the class or anything.</p>
<p>if you are not exempt based on test scores (SAT & AP) you are automatically enrolled in Writing either first quarter or second quarter. You would take the Frosh seminar the next quarter (after W-5).</p>
<p>I believe that if you score below a certain number on the verbal SAT, maybe lower than 600, but I'm not sure, the school actually gives you an online test over the summer to see if you should be in 2/3 or 5.</p>
<p>What about ACT? (I'm over 600 Verbal, but just in case.) My Math skills greatly outweighed my verbal ones.</p>