<p>People are talented in different areas. I work with med-school FACULTY and their English is far from pristine. On the flip-side, I'm sure that an English professor's forte does not involve finding derivatives.</p>
<p>Additionally, I just took stats this semester and got a B (87%). Kind of disappointing, but I do find solace in that I'm not mathematically inclined, and that I got a 99% in my critical thinking class, 5% higher than the next person down. What does that mean? that I'm fundamentally "smarter"? hell no. It just means that I don't enjoy stats enough to labor with studying the subject, and that I enjoy critical thinking to the extent that it comes naturally to me. That's all.</p>
<p>Also, stats is not your typical math class. It's a lot more conceptual than college algebra, and literally every single problem that you will deal with will be a word problem. At least that's the way our book was (Trifola). Some people have trouble with that.</p>
<p>sstory:
I graduated with B.S. in math/accounting/management and currently doing M.S. in industrial engineering. I have studied basic to advanced statistics which is one of the main tools for the these majors. I particularly like statistics, too! </p>
<p>For example, quality management in engineering, they use statistics to organize and present the data (descriptive), then characterize the population with a good sample (inferential), use regression or time series to predict future events such as performances (predictive) and make sound decision (decision analysis). </p>
<p>Anyways, there is no need to further complicate the issue here as the orginal poster (OP) has already resolved the problem. OP received an A. Also, read the earlier posts to understand; I did not intend to post negative comments. If you read some earlier posts, you probably will understand. </p>
<p>I'm not interested in flame war. Feel free to do it as you would like though because it is your choice. </p>
<p>You're right , especially when you are having such trouble actually understanding what was upsetting to some people about the comments that were made. It has nothing to do with how or why statistics is used, or whether or not passing statistics is acceptable. I am coming purely from the perspective that majors that having NOTHING to do with math are still required to take at least one transferrable math class to transfer to a UC, and for 99% of them they take statistics as that class. The next-lowest transferrable math is pre-calc, which is ridiculous to take instead unless you plan on finishing the series. Therefore, and I will say for the last time, how those people do in that stats class is not reflective of their intelligence etc.</p>
how those people do in that stats class is not reflective of their intelligence
Yes, I agree with you on this. </p>
<p>However, in some of your earlier posts, you misunderstand my point, let me restate it in a very simple way:</p>
<p>For MATH, SCIENCE, ENGINEERING majors (NOT including humanity, English, history majors... got it?), statistical knowledge is NOT optional, MATH/SCIENCE/ENGINEERING majors use statistics quite often because it is one of the main tools there.
Therefore, statistics is RELEVANT and IMPORTANT in MATH/SCIENCE/ENGINEERING majors (NOT including humanity, English, history... got it?) and my very simple point is:</p>
<h2>If one could not do well in a basic statistics class, one would be struggling like crazy in the major courses in MATH/SCIENCE/ENGINEERING (NOT including humanity, English, history... got it?) </h2>
<p>Back to the topics, original poster (OP) did NOT do badly in statistics, OP received an "A" which is excellent grade!</p>
<p>wow...I wonder how it got so flamy in here. Yes, I did get an "A" in this statistics course...and the reason I nearly failed is because it is NOT a CC course, but a course I'm taking @ CAL through dual enrollment from BCC. </p>
<p>Also, everyone has a different personality. Kevin101's attitude is very much like my boyfriend, who is also a grad student (Phd) in industrial engineering at CAL. Competition in this field is indeed aggressive, and a failing grade is NOT acceptable. (My bf told me the exact same thing that Kevin did) </p>
<p>On the other hand, I understand what everyone else is saying. If you can't say much that is encouraging and helpful, then it's best not to say anything. ...but sometimes people have different ways of saying things that they believe is helpful. I don't know. </p>
<p>But, anyway...I did receive and excellent grade, and I'm happy now.
Thanks everyone!</p>
<p>"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."</p>
<p>For those saying that English people should not be expected to understand complex math and vice versa, this is a terribly low standard. Derivatives are easy. Analyzing poetry is easy.</p>
<p>Getting a 74% in the final does save your grade yes, but you shouldn't disregard what all the flamers say. A 4.0 student who scores that low on a final? I've never seen such a thing. Never have I seen a 4.0 student complain about scoring poorly. You claim to have done well throughout the whole class. Scoring a 74 on the final is indicative of either the rest of the class's grading being inflated or a super hard final that even a 4.0 student can only get a 74% on.</p>
<p>My main point here is that "the reason I nearly failed is because it is NOT a CC course, but a course I'm taking @ CAL through dual enrollment from BCC." is a TERRIBLE excuse to "nearly fail" a class. This is why CCCs and CCC students get so much sting. Also, it's more reason for Cal not to accept you.</p>
<p>you are obviously not positive to anyone, nor do I appreciate any of your comments. The final was VERY DIFFICULT. My boyfriend even said he had trouble doing well on finals as a student at Cal, even if the work wasn't as hard earlier in the term. You were not in this stats class, so whatever it took me to get the A, I did it.....and that's what matters to me. I learned a lot, and even though I didn't do AS WELL as I thought I did, I still managed to learn many things throughout the class and receive the grade I desired. ....and to say it's more of a reason for CAL not to accept me......I don't need that to hear that from you. Everyone agrees that a course from Cal would definitely be harder than one from a CC, although I know the reason I didn't do as well on the final was because I didn't prepare well enough for it...expecting it to be easier. I could have scored better. </p>
<p>Sstory, </p>
<p>I agree to most of what you've said in this thread. Thanks. :)</p>
<p>Good one. I also wonder if Peter Jackson was ever a brilliant actor before he directed Lord of the Rings. It would be really comical if he was not.</p>
<p>"although I know the reason I didn't do as well on the final was because I didn't prepare well enough for it...expecting it to be easier."
This is all I needed to hear.</p>