<p>Why would they release the admissions deceisions of URMs before everyone else? *** kind of game is this?</p>
<p>I think there is going to be a minority weekend or something? Im not sure... but, it sucks, b/c i want to know!</p>
<p>I think it's ridiculous. </p>
<p>Like, I'm liberal, but I'm totally against affirmative action.</p>
<p>Congrats to those who got in! =D! I'm anxiously waiting to see if I did or not! It really does suck that we have to wait a couple of days! I want to know now! I wish I wasn't so impatient!</p>
<p>I'm conservative and definitely against it.... Its too bad that I'm only half-foreign. haha... hopefully they will release decisions for the rest of us soon...</p>
<p>^ i agree! it's a form of segregation!! why are we separated from urm?? they are the ones creating racism...!</p>
<p>so when do regular decisions come out??
lavieenchocolat, i couldnt agree more..but thats how the system works nowadays</p>
<p>That is the infamous question lilian09, we just have to wait and see...</p>
<p>Affirmative action makes me kind of nuts sometimes. True equality is when it really doesn't matter what color your skin is. If Emory released white peoples' decisions a week early and had a special "White Weekend," people would go BALLISTIC. I understand the importance of diversity and equality, but I don't know that this is the way to do it. Oh well, I love Emory anyways.</p>
<p>its kind of ridiculous how the college system can favor/not favor u because of ur genetic makeup..why dont they treat everyone as an individual with a story?</p>
<p>Well, coming from a 99.9% African American High School, the students to to migrate to HBCU's and other public schools rather than matriculating to schools like Emory. Of course, I am going to Emory since it was my second choice after Vanderbilt, only do to Vanderbilt being 3 hours away--I digress.</p>
<p>African Americans tend to choose HBCU's. That's why the make-up of African American students at Top Twenty schools is < 20%. Well, this is from my experience. So, I would guess that Emory would like to show these African American/Latino students that Emory can be versatile: a rigorous school but offering an HBCU feel.</p>
<p>Not saying that HBCU's don't offer any course rigor.</p>
<p>Aside from being morally and intellectually bankrupt, affirmative action is deleterious to minorities more than anything. That being said, I think proponents of aa have laudable, moral intentions; but I think these preferential policies would best serve society if they were based on socio-economic background rather than ethnic background. Harmful racial discrimination is non-existent in the majority of America (I cite the election of Barack Obama), so the only way one can justify AA is on the grounds that ethnicity correlates with economic disadvantages; but why rely on this indirect correlation? Its a difficult issue, I would like to hear other pro-AA opinions/arguments if CCers out there hold them.</p>
<p>Just make sure your application is strong throughout and give the college a reason to accept you and you're fine.</p>
<p>^Well that misses the point a bit, dear, doesn't it? And I think we all have worked for a strong application, thank you very much.</p>
<p>You're not really considering history at all if you think that African Americans generally have the same opportunities that whites do. They are still fighting through a history of racism and racial prejudice that, to a fair extent, still exist today. And this isn't just about how people are mean, it's that African Americans have been held below whites politically, economically, and socially for centuries, which obviously has a great effect on their status today. It may not seem fair, and you may not agree with it, but affirmative action gives a step up to help make society a fairer game. If the percentages of African Americans (and other minorities) in the US were about the same as they are in the population at-large, than such policies wouldn't be necessary.</p>
<p>You can call on your favorite hot-shot black people, Oprah, Barrack, and others, but the reality is that they are the exception and they represent a very small percentage of the American elite. They had to fight much harder to get where they are than the vast majority of their white peers.</p>
<p>Affirmative action is by no means a perfect system, as many of your arguments show, but it's just a practical band-aid to an enormous problem, as the system of racism in this country won't be easily thrown away. </p>
<p>You are free to disagree with me, I'm not trying to start a fight. Those are just my beliefs, and they were requested by a previous poster.</p>
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You're not really considering history at all if you think that African Americans generally have the same opportunities that whites do. They are still fighting through a history of racism and racial prejudice that, to a fair extent, still exist today. And this isn't just about how people are mean, it's that African Americans have been held below whites politically, economically, and socially for centuries, which obviously has a great effect on their status today. It may not seem fair, and you may not agree with it, but affirmative action gives a step up to help make society a fairer game. If the percentages of African Americans (and other minorities) in the US were about the same as they are in the population at-large, than such policies wouldn't be necessary.
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african americans might have been held down, but i don't think they're opressed by their "white overlords" anymore; if anything, many black people are held back by their own mentalities.
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You can call on your favorite hot-shot black people, Oprah, Barrack, and others, but the reality is that they are the exception and they represent a very small percentage of the American elite. They had to fight much harder to get where they are than the vast majority of their white peers.
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i call absolute bs on this. I'm blacker than obama. he was raised by his white mom his entire life, and he only saw his dad twice. In fact, Obama went to private schools his entire life; the most difficult part of his life was probably realizing he was an oreo.</p>
<p>wow that sounds a little ignorant if you ask me. the point is no matter where he came from he had to to work twice as hard to get where he is today.</p>
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<li><p>Releasing decisions for URMs a week early is not only not affirmative action, but it also doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things. Really, is a week really such a long time to wait relative to the three months we've already waited? These URMs may have heard early, but that does not mean that they got in "over" any of us.</p></li>
<li><p>affirmative action will not allow any student into a school that they are unqualified for. An elite university is not going to accept someone based solely upon their race if that person is not qualified, because guess what? There is another person out there, even of that same race, who is. I know we are all anxious to hear from emory, and we all want our applications to be treated with the same amount of consideration as anyone else's, but no minority student that does not belong at emory is going to get into emory. These students deserve to be into Emory just as much as everyone else here does (or moreso, since they've already gotten in.) Please do not diminish this accomplishment for them.</p></li>
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<p>everyone has their own opinions and we will never agree on everything which isn't a bad thing but i came on here to "find out decions" and walked into history lessons from everyone can we not make this into a political forum? </p>
<p>:D </p>
<p>thanks babes :P love yas</p>
<p>cer: the annoyed sentiments about early decisions for minorities has evolved into a broader discussion on affirmative action. No one is discussing that anymore. Also, nobody said that minority students "don't deserve" to be at top schools, that would be both insensitive and ignorant. </p>
<p>Angrygoldfish- I am not at all trying to start a "fight" either, I was just curious to hear some of the arguments for Affirmative action. Your rebuttal is cogent, and I agree that the history of oppression minorities have faced is the cause of the lingering socio-economic discrepancy. I am not convinced, however, that racism is extant in our society; and I think Barack is a great example because he was elected, in our free democracy, by the majority of people in the U.S. (Not to mention, he won by a very steep margin). So, I contest that the only inherent disadvantage some/most (not sure) minorities face is economic, in which case I believe preferential policies should favor the economically disadvantaged at large. Also, I'm not convinced that AA actually helps to diminish the socio-economic iniquity between races; and it possibly could reduce the confidence of minorities in top schools (although it shouldn't) or entrench the idea of racial differences in the ignorant through "reverse racism." </p>
<p>Again, I'm not at all an expert on this issue, and it would be nice to hear some versed
pro-AA arguments like those that goldfish had to offer.</p>