<p>They don’t get overseas money. Their families live here, do business here. And like I said before, they are OK to borrow some money for med schools but less likely to borrow money for UG regardless whether their kids attend private or public colleges.</p>
<p>It seems you prefer to use your daughter as showcase for evey CC thread instead of listening to what other people know and say.</p>
<p>Is there a good reason we are talking about ethnicities and their am spending here? We have many Asians of all generations here–some recent immigrants and some here for generations. Some choose to have their kids attend public Us while others choose private, some get merit and others don’t. Some are able to pay without borrowing while others take loans. Ethnic stereotypes aren’t particularly helpful to me. Many of us have mortgages and can’t buy property in cash. Many choose to take car loans as well and can’t pay for vehicles in cash either. Our financial institutions are happy for the business and would be amazed and disappointed at your stereotypes.</p>
<p>"To say that most kids can “easily” make $10K per year or more is simply unrealistic "</p>
<p>Bravo Sierra.</p>
<p>20 hours a week, 50 weeks a year, 10 bucks an hour.</p>
<p>Seems pretty realistic to me. Especially since I did that myself when going to college. As did many many many many others.</p>
<p>What surprises me is not that students in NJ avoid Rutgers to go to highly selective private schools or public out of state schools like Berkeley or UVA, or even to smaller (possibly lower ranked) LACs, but that they prefer to pay OOS tuition at large State Us in nearby states. I don’t understand why anyone would agree to pay over $40K to go to URI or U Mass when they could pay $25K to go to Rutgers. Not that there is anything wrong with those (or other nearby) schools and that a good education could not be obtained, but in most cases kids are choosing these schools only to get out of NJ. I don’t see how another state U in a NE state is going to provide a vastly different experience than Rutgers. Of course, some kids don’t have a choice as they can’t get into Rutgers so end up at an OOS. </p>
<p>Kids from my town would love to go to U Mich. They only take a couple of kids each year and almost all go. Kids have a great time and get a great education. OP: don’t listen to those kids. Do what is right for you and your family. </p>
<p>My kid was not able to get a $10 per hour job, either in the summer or now. Also, even in summer around here many jobs are promised as full time and turn out to be part-time with reduced shifts. Many of the best jobs go to work-study students. But my son is working and making some money, but nowhere near $20 (or even $10) per hour.</p>
<p>I know someone who went to Temple from NJ this year with a presidential scholarship. The tuition was going to be fullpay in state at Rutgers compared to free at Temple, despite an OOS pricetag of 24k.</p>
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<p>You are not the only one who has noticed the “anywhere but Rutgers” phenomenon among NJ high school seniors.</p>
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<p>There are other in-state public universities in NJ.</p>
<p>Of course, if the OOS public university offers a big enough scholarship to make it cheaper than Rutgers and other NJ public universities, that can make going to the OOS public university an economically rational choice. But is that really the case for most NJ residents going to OOS public universities?</p>
<p>The NJ phenomenon is odd. I also can see avoiding Rutgers for a plethora of reasons, but would not be convinced that the Universities of Delaware or Maryland, for example, are superior choices, yet plenty of kids go there instead.</p>
<p>I agree with Consolation and also with ucbalumnus. This is a particular problem in the northeast. But I will say that here in MA, even though our state flagship, particularly the honors college, is well-regarded, it does have some crowding issues that many students find off-putting. Why sit in a classroom with 100 students when you can take the same chem class at a LAC with only 15 of your peers?</p>
<p>And I can’t see paying OOS tuition at UVa or Berkeley when it’s possible to get a comparable education at a small LAC for the same money without having to worry about whether there will be room in all the classes you need to graduate in 4 years.</p>
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<p>The tradeoff is that the LAC typically has more limited offerings of the more advanced courses. Different students may choose differently in terms of LAC versus RU. Students with major-agnostic goals may be more likely to find LACs a better fit, while those with major-specific goals may be more likely to find RUs a better fit. Of course, a LAC with a convenient cross registration agreement with an RU (e.g. Barnard - Columbia) may maximize the advantages of both types of schools while minimizing the disadvantages.</p>
<p>I don’t think Maryland attracts OOS with money but Delaware does give out a lot of money.</p>
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<p>I haven’t heard big concerns about insufficient space in classrooms having a negative impact on graduation rates at UVA. Their 4-year graduation rate of 86.6% is comparable to that of many leading LACs such as Haverford (89.5%), Williams (89.0%), Pomona (88.9%), Middlebury (87.5%), Wesleyan (87.1%), Vassar (86.1%), Swarthmore (85.9%), Amherst (85.5%), Hamilton (84.6%), Wellesley (84.3%), and Smith (81.0%).</p>
<p>This may be an issue at UC Berkeley where the 4-year graduation rate is only 71.0%. But not all public universities are cut from the same cloth.</p>
<p>Actual students on the Berkeley forum do not seem to complain about class space impeding four year graduation (though they do complain about such things as lass space in out-of-major electives that they do not have registration priority for, electives at the same time as classes they need to take, not getting the instructor they want, undesirable times like 8am, etc.).</p>
<p>I went to college when four year graduation rates were laughable at under 40%. But I had no trouble graduating in four years (eight semesters of school, and I took more than 120 credit units of courses during those eight semesters despite entering with some AP credit). However, I did know a lot of students voluntarily taking only 13 or so credit units per semester (instead of 15 that one needs to average for eight semester graduation).</p>
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<p>You know, I wonder about this. It is a rare 17- or 18-year-old who knows exactly what his/her major will be and does research on specific course offerings. AND doesn’t change plans midway through. Plus, there’s always grad school. How many students who “need” specific courses only need what they can get in four years of undergrad?</p>
<p>ucb – I have a friend who once upon a time was the Director of Undergraduate Studies in the Economics Department at Berkeley. He loved the university, loved his department, but said the job was the most depressing experience he had in his life – hour after hour of sitting with teary, stressed out, angry students explaining patiently to them that they weren’t going to be able to meet their degree requirements in the department on a four-year schedule. Now, this was a long time ago (as in early-mid 80s), so plenty could have changed since then. My friend teaches at another public university that is far less prestigious and far less tightly wound.</p>
<p>We have a really great public- UNC Chapel Hill and so like 99% of kids at my HS stay in state at NC State, UNC, or ECU. I want a liberal arts school, and I want to go north. Also I won’t get in-state tuition b/c my parents are moving to SC after I graduate.</p>
<p>Someone posted this Malcolm Gladwell clip in another thread, but I think it’s relevant here as well. It’s about how the top students at average colleges are much more successful in life than the mid-range students at top colleges, even Harvard, and why:</p>
<p>[Malcolm</a> Gladwell - Zeitgeist Americas 2013 - YouTube](<a href=“Why Did I Say "Yes" to Speak Here? | Malcolm Gladwell | Google Zeitgeist - YouTube”>Why Did I Say "Yes" to Speak Here? | Malcolm Gladwell | Google Zeitgeist - YouTube)</p>
<p>Here’s the tricky thing. LAC probably do a better job nurturing an undecided toward an appropriate major. But a large university will provide a lot more choices of major.</p>
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<p>Doesn’t seem to match my experience. As a non-major back then, I enrolled in some of the required courses for the economics major out of interest. Then (and now), the economics major required four economics courses (three of which there was a choice between a less-math and more-math version) and five elective economics courses. Given that the required ones were not difficult to enroll in by non-majors, I don’t see how those economics major students were prevented from graduating on time solely due to class availability. Of course, if they had planned their schedules poorly or changed/declared their majors late, or taken only 13 units per semester, they would have trouble graduating on time (and that probably contributed to the under-40% four year graduation rate at the time), but those are all student related reasons.</p>
<p>Maybe they should ask Larry Page (founder of Google) if UMich was such a bad choice…</p>
<p>Ann Arbor is terrible in winter. The parking space is limited on campus. Shopping and restaurants are not that good. Can you imagine parking your car and walking several blocks in the snowy, dark, windy morning? </p>
<p>Are you sure about U Mich?</p>